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From Geir Magnusson Jr <g...@pobox.com>
Subject Re: Let's rewind!!! (Re: [VOTE] accept donation of a business process engine into the ServiceMix project)
Date Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:15:09 GMT


Bill Flood wrote:
> I'm open to what works best.  I think the proposal for Ode is in essence a
> fresh starting point for a community.  Sybase just happened to submit some
> code, which may or may not be accepted and that we thought was passable.  In
> the end, the community has the last say so we welcome that type of open
> discussion.

That's why I'm bringing it up here :)

Good luck with it.

geir

> 
> On 2/14/06, Geir Magnusson Jr <geir@pobox.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Bill Flood wrote:
>>> Geir, approaching Agila was our first avenue.  We looked at what they
>> had
>>> and I initiated several conversations about donating to that incubator
>>> project.
>>>
>>> We offered a base line upon which to build but there did not seem to be
>> any
>>> uptake although both committers said they were happy to have us come in
>> and
>>> provide coding help on what they already had.
>> I don't really know.  I wasn't part of that conversation, although I did
>> have a few discussions w/ people after this all started.
>>
>> I expect that what you just said might have been the problem.  They
>> already had a BPEL engine, and it sounds like you were suggesting they
>> stop and reboot on your codebase.  After all, they have some users and
>> wouldn't want to just drop them.
>>
>>> I was a little mystified.
>>> Jumping in and bringing their stuff up to where we already were seemed
>>> counter productive given the large gap in code maturity and capability
>> so we
>>> passed.
>>>
>>> Based on the support we have seen for our contribution from others in
>> Apache
>>> thus far, I have to believe that our impression wasn't just the result
>> of
>>> our inherent subjectivity
>>>
>>> I believe we did approach them in good faith and I'm not sure why there
>> was
>>> disinterest in our offer via Agila but here we are.  We left the
>> previous
>>> conversation on good terms.  At this point, my preference would be that
>> the
>>> Agila folks look at the contribution and see if they want to become part
>> of
>>> that larger community for this new baseline.  To me, it's not about
>>> ownership, it's about critical mass in the community to carry something
>>> forward.
>> How about making a fresh start then...  If the Agila people are
>> interested, put out a call for any and all other implementations of BPEL
>> that might be donated and build a larger community, mixing the best of
>> anything that is donated to get the best BPEL engine and community we can?
>>
>> In the same way that we built Geronimo from "best of breed" J2EE-ish OSS
>> projects that are out there, I'm sure we could do a similar thing with
>> BPEL.
>>
>> Maybe do a "bake off" to help find the best codebase, and have the
>> community collaborate around that?  (I'm not sure what that would
>> entail, actually...)
>>
>> Would you be interested in that?
>>
>> geir
>>
>>
>>
> 

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