Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-geronimo-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 33952 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2006 20:24:29 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 24 Jan 2006 20:24:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 23704 invoked by uid 500); 24 Jan 2006 20:24:27 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-geronimo-dev-archive@geronimo.apache.org Received: (qmail 23661 invoked by uid 500); 24 Jan 2006 20:24:27 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@geronimo.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: list-unsubscribe: List-Post: Reply-To: dev@geronimo.apache.org List-Id: Delivered-To: mailing list dev@geronimo.apache.org Received: (qmail 23650 invoked by uid 99); 24 Jan 2006 20:24:26 -0000 Received: from asf.osuosl.org (HELO asf.osuosl.org) (140.211.166.49) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:24:26 -0800 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=10.0 tests=RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB,SPF_HELO_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (asf.osuosl.org: local policy) Received: from [63.208.196.171] (HELO outbound.mailhop.org) (63.208.196.171) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:24:25 -0800 Received: from bi01p1.co.us.ibm.com ([32.97.110.142] helo=[9.72.139.84]) by outbound.mailhop.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.51) id 1F1Uhw-000B2j-Gs for dev@geronimo.apache.org; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 15:24:04 -0500 X-Mail-Handler: MailHop Outbound by DynDNS X-Originating-IP: 32.97.110.142 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.com (see http://www.mailhop.org/outbound/abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: hogndos Message-ID: <43D68CE3.8020508@hogstrom.org> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:24:03 -0800 From: Matt Hogstrom User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dev@geronimo.apache.org Subject: Re: Geronimo Community References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org X-Spam-Rating: minotaur.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Dave, I agree with your assessment in the first paragraph. I think the idea of communicating intent and ideas is what we are trying to do to build the community. If people aren't communicating they are not really being part of the community process. Perhaps your comments serve as a gentle reminder to us all to remember to communicate. I think recent issues like the confusion in WADI could have been avoided if there had been more discussion on the list so people were aware of the planned changes. I know its faster to write code than e-mails so not communicating is a temptation we need to avoid. Thanks for the reminder. Matt David Jencks wrote: > in my understanding of "the apache way", one of the important > principles is that all decisions happen on the mailing list. To me, > for Geronimo, that means that if you are working on a feature more > complex than a simple bug fix, you describe it in general terms in an > email to the dev list or in a jira entry. While I try to follow this I > know I often fail and would appreciate reminders when I do. > > When I don't see this happening, for Geronimo code or for code in > projects that are supposed to be on the way into incubation as Geronimo > sub projects, I get worried and wonder how long the project will survive. > > Comments? > > thanks > david jencks > > > >