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Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 15:21:29 -0500
From: Joe Bohn <joe.bohn@earthlink.net>
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Dain,

Sounds like a good idea.  Will you be creating these URLs with the 
redirects (I assume only a committer can do this)?   If you let me know 
when they are complete I'll update the web console welcome and welcome 
page to reference these instead.  We would need these links (just one or 
two additions to your list Dain):

http://geronimo.apache.org/issues ==> jira (problem tracking)
http://geronimo.apache.org/wiki ==> our current wiki
http://geronimo.apache.org/download ==> our download page
http://geronimo.apache.org/IRC ==> IRC - do we need a redirect for this?
http://geronimo.apache.org/moreSamples ==> Additional Samples (on 
confluence)
http://geronimo.apache.org/confluence ==> Confluence  ***

*** Based on the earlier responses I assume that we want to keep the 
confluence link on the welcome pages.  Would this not be needed with the 
PDF that is also being discussed or do we also want the live link as well?


There are a few others but they are already hosted in geronimo.apache 
such as Documentation, FAQs, dev & user mail archives.

Joe

Dain Sundstrom wrote:
> +1 lets define some URLs under geronimo.apache.org and setup redirect  
> rules for them
> 
> I suggest the following:
> 
> http://geronimo.apache.org/issues ==> jira insall
> http://geronimo.apache.org/wiki ==> our current wiki
> http://geronimo.apache.org/download ==> our download page
> 
> maybe
> 
> http://geronimo.apache.org/documentation
> http://geronimo.apache.org/source
> 
> -dain
> 
> On Dec 6, 2005, at 8:23 AM, Paul McMahan wrote:
> 
>> I agree with Hernan that the current links in the welcome portlet  are 
>> very helpful.  But I think we should only keep them if we can  be sure 
>> they won't change in the foreseeable future.  IMO the best  way to 
>> ensure that would be to set up redirects and/or aliases  under the 
>> HTTP server for geronimo.apache.org.
>>
>> For example, the "Problem Tracking Database" link in the welcome  
>> portlet currently points at :
>> http://nagoya.apache.org/jira/secure/BrowseProject.jspa?id=10220
>> But it's likely that URL could become stale within the lifespan of  
>> the Geronimo 1.0 console.
>>
>> So instead the welcome portlet could point at:
>> http://geronimo.apache.org/problems
>> and the server could redirect to the actual address.
>>
>> Can someone familiar with how the geronimo.apache.org HTTP server  is 
>> administered please advise whether or not this sounds like a  
>> reasonable approach?
>>
>> thanks,
>> Paul
>>
>>
>> On 12/6/05, Hernan Cunico <hcunico@gmail.com> wrote: Hi All,
>> I would like to keep the link to the confluence site (the one  hosted by
>> Atlassian). Jason is working on getting a confluence site (licensed)
>> hosted in one of the zones. Whenever the decision is taken on (if)
>> moving the wiki, then we can update the console in the next refresh or
>> as an intermediate "fix".
>>
>> For an immediate (but yet temporary) solution I would suggest, once  the
>> confluence doc is officially moved (if it is moved), to have a  redirect
>> on the Atlassian site.
>>
>> Cheers!
>> Hernan
>>
>> Joe Bohn wrote:
>> >
>> > When creating the Welcome Page with the new look & feel and the web
>> > console welcome portlet I included a link to the current confluence
>> > documentation.   This is the "Additional Documentation" link.  I  added
>> > it because I was thinking that this documentation was too good to  not
>> > have an easy way for the end user to access it and was curious to  
>> see if
>> > anybody would complain.
>> >
>> > Given all of the debate about confluence and the possibility that  the
>> > current confluence content may or may not be moving into a more  
>> official
>> > site, I guess I should remove these links.  Hopefully, whatever is
>> > decided will ensure that this documentation is readily available  to 
>> the
>> > users for V1 (even if it requires one level of indirection).  So  
>> I'll go
>> > ahead and remove the links unless somebody really, really, thinks we
>> > should keep them.
>> >
>> > BTW, if we do make a complete change from the wiki to confluence is
>> > there any possibility that we could keep the same URL?  The  Welcome 
>> page
>> > has always included a link to the wiki and it would be great if this
>> > didn't become a dead link on the installed images.  It would  
>> probably be
>> > better if we removed all of the links on the welcome page and the  web
>> > console welcome portlet and just point the user to the Geronimo home
>> > page.  This would allow us to keep things "up to date".  Should I go
>> > ahead and make this change too while updating the welcome page  and the
>> > web console welcome portlet?
>> >
>> > Joe
>> >
>> >
>>
> 
> 
> 

-- 
Joe Bohn
joe.bohn@earthlink.net

"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep, to gain what he cannot 
lose."   -- Jim Elliot