Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-geronimo-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 3914 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2005 22:06:32 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 9 Dec 2005 22:06:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 96141 invoked by uid 500); 9 Dec 2005 22:06:28 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-geronimo-dev-archive@geronimo.apache.org Received: (qmail 96088 invoked by uid 500); 9 Dec 2005 22:06:28 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@geronimo.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: list-unsubscribe: List-Post: Reply-To: dev@geronimo.apache.org List-Id: Delivered-To: mailing list dev@geronimo.apache.org Received: (qmail 96077 invoked by uid 99); 9 Dec 2005 22:06:28 -0000 Received: from asf.osuosl.org (HELO asf.osuosl.org) (140.211.166.49) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 14:06:28 -0800 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (asf.osuosl.org: domain of paulmcmahan@gmail.com designates 64.233.182.204 as permitted sender) Received: from [64.233.182.204] (HELO nproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.182.204) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 14:06:27 -0800 Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id n29so288634nfc for ; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 14:06:04 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=noM/uR+wXAdqgYTMprYInJ0yOibZoTc0/vtNGOo9FiWJfUulj3h+NtOdKJGLOta1+Ol9fJcC6VOxhy1VQ9gsVyL6sW+eYuTggxnqjqamO5P23LVsoyxAFlIjgipWeEPA/32cLH5zg/uC3SoZkVSLLlA8UeHCMiCmirjSsfW7baQ= Received: by 10.48.12.11 with SMTP id 11mr408542nfl; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 14:06:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.48.233.7 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 14:06:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <21df75940512091406p198624c6pbe69cae646cf43e8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 17:06:04 -0500 From: Paul McMahan To: dev@geronimo.apache.org Subject: Re: Confluence link on the welcome pages In-Reply-To: <4395F2C9.2000603@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1102_27807907.1134165964551" References: <4395A744.5060504@earthlink.net> <4395AD22.2000004@gmail.com> <21df75940512060823p6ff37713v63313edb643276bd@mail.gmail.com> <4D9C2F0A-8139-46EF-AEDA-E2525346768A@iq80.com> <4395F2C9.2000603@earthlink.net> X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org X-Spam-Rating: minotaur.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N ------=_Part_1102_27807907.1134165964551 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I opened JIRA 1318 and attached a patch that will create html files in the geronimo.apache.org web site that redirect to the appropriate locations. http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-1318 If a commiter could please inspect and apply that patch and then regen the website it will allow Joe to adjust the links in the welcome portlet and welcome application via JIRA 1300 http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-1300 The redirect mapping is as follows. I did not create redirects for web pages that are already hosted under geronimo.apache.org (e.g. downloads). Geronimo Wiki http://geronimo.apache.org/redirects/wiki.html redirects to =3D=3D> http://wiki.apache.org/geronimo Confluence documentation http://geronimo.apache.org/redirects/additionalDocumentation.html redirects to =3D=3D> http://opensource2.atlassian.com/confluence/oss/display/GERONIMO/Home Samples in Confluence http://geronimo.apache.org/redirects/additionalSamples.html redirects to =3D=3D> http://opensource2.atlassian.com/confluence/oss/display/GERONIMO/Samples+fo= r+Apache+Geronimo Developer mailing list archive http://geronimo.apache.org/redirects/developerMailingList.html redirects to =3D=3D> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/geronimo-de= v/ User mailing list archive http://geronimo.apache.org/redirects/userMailingList.html redirects to =3D=3D> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/geronimo-us= er/ JIRA http://geronimo.apache.org/redirects/issues.html redirects to =3D=3D> http://nagoya.apache.org/jira/secure/BrowseProject.jspa?id=3D10220 Best wishes, Paul On 12/6/05, Joe Bohn wrote: > > > Dain, > > Sounds like a good idea. Will you be creating these URLs with the > redirects (I assume only a committer can do this)? If you let me know > when they are complete I'll update the web console welcome and welcome > page to reference these instead. We would need these links (just one or > two additions to your list Dain): > > http://geronimo.apache.org/issues =3D=3D> jira (problem tracking) > http://geronimo.apache.org/wiki =3D=3D> our current wiki > http://geronimo.apache.org/download =3D=3D> our download page > http://geronimo.apache.org/IRC =3D=3D> IRC - do we need a redirect for th= is? > http://geronimo.apache.org/moreSamples =3D=3D> Additional Samples (on > confluence) > http://geronimo.apache.org/confluence =3D=3D> Confluence *** > > *** Based on the earlier responses I assume that we want to keep the > confluence link on the welcome pages. Would this not be needed with the > PDF that is also being discussed or do we also want the live link as well= ? > > > There are a few others but they are already hosted in geronimo.apache > such as Documentation, FAQs, dev & user mail archives. > > Joe > > Dain Sundstrom wrote: > > +1 lets define some URLs under geronimo.apache.org and setup redirect > > rules for them > > > > I suggest the following: > > > > http://geronimo.apache.org/issues =3D=3D> jira insall > > http://geronimo.apache.org/wiki =3D=3D> our current wiki > > http://geronimo.apache.org/download =3D=3D> our download page > > > > maybe > > > > http://geronimo.apache.org/documentation > > http://geronimo.apache.org/source > > > > -dain > > > > On Dec 6, 2005, at 8:23 AM, Paul McMahan wrote: > > > >> I agree with Hernan that the current links in the welcome portlet are > >> very helpful. But I think we should only keep them if we can be sure > >> they won't change in the foreseeable future. IMO the best way to > >> ensure that would be to set up redirects and/or aliases under the > >> HTTP server for geronimo.apache.org. > >> > >> For example, the "Problem Tracking Database" link in the welcome > >> portlet currently points at : > >> http://nagoya.apache.org/jira/secure/BrowseProject.jspa?id=3D10220 > >> But it's likely that URL could become stale within the lifespan of > >> the Geronimo 1.0 console. > >> > >> So instead the welcome portlet could point at: > >> http://geronimo.apache.org/problems > >> and the server could redirect to the actual address. > >> > >> Can someone familiar with how the geronimo.apache.org HTTP server is > >> administered please advise whether or not this sounds like a > >> reasonable approach? > >> > >> thanks, > >> Paul > >> > >> > >> On 12/6/05, Hernan Cunico wrote: Hi All, > >> I would like to keep the link to the confluence site (the one hosted > by > >> Atlassian). Jason is working on getting a confluence site (licensed) > >> hosted in one of the zones. Whenever the decision is taken on (if) > >> moving the wiki, then we can update the console in the next refresh or > >> as an intermediate "fix". > >> > >> For an immediate (but yet temporary) solution I would suggest, > once the > >> confluence doc is officially moved (if it is moved), to have > a redirect > >> on the Atlassian site. > >> > >> Cheers! > >> Hernan > >> > >> Joe Bohn wrote: > >> > > >> > When creating the Welcome Page with the new look & feel and the web > >> > console welcome portlet I included a link to the current confluence > >> > documentation. This is the "Additional Documentation" > link. I added > >> > it because I was thinking that this documentation was too good > to not > >> > have an easy way for the end user to access it and was curious to > >> see if > >> > anybody would complain. > >> > > >> > Given all of the debate about confluence and the possibility > that the > >> > current confluence content may or may not be moving into a more > >> official > >> > site, I guess I should remove these links. Hopefully, whatever is > >> > decided will ensure that this documentation is readily available to > >> the > >> > users for V1 (even if it requires one level of indirection). So > >> I'll go > >> > ahead and remove the links unless somebody really, really, thinks we > >> > should keep them. > >> > > >> > BTW, if we do make a complete change from the wiki to confluence is > >> > there any possibility that we could keep the same URL? The Welcome > >> page > >> > has always included a link to the wiki and it would be great if this > >> > didn't become a dead link on the installed images. It would > >> probably be > >> > better if we removed all of the links on the welcome page and > the web > >> > console welcome portlet and just point the user to the Geronimo home > >> > page. This would allow us to keep things "up to date". Should I go > >> > ahead and make this change too while updating the welcome page and > the > >> > web console welcome portlet? > >> > > >> > Joe > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > -- > Joe Bohn > joe.bohn@earthlink.net > > "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep, to gain what he cannot > lose." -- Jim Elliot > ------=_Part_1102_27807907.1134165964551 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I opened JIRA 1318 and attached a patch that will create html files in the geronimo.apache.org web site= that redirect to the appropriate locations.
  http:= //issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-1318

If a commiter could please inspect and apply that patch and then regen the website it will allow Joe to adjust the links in the welcome portlet and welcome application via JIRA 1300
  http:= //issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-1300

The redirect mapping is as follows.  I did not create redirects for web pages that are already hosted under geronimo.apache.org (e.g. downloads).

Geronimo Wiki
http://geronimo.= apache.org/redirects/wiki.html
  redirects to =3D=3D> = http://wiki.apache.org/geronimo

Confluence documentation
http://geronimo.apache.org/redirects/additionalDocumentation.html     redirects to =3D=3D> http://opensource2.atlass= ian.com/confluence/oss/display/GERONIMO/Home

Samples in Confluence
htt= p://geronimo.apache.org/redirects/additionalSamples.html
  redirects to =3D=3D> http://opensou= rce2.atlassian.com/confluence/oss/display/GERONIMO/Samples+for+Apache+Geron= imo

Developer mailing list archive
= http://geronimo.apache.org/redirects/developerMailingList.html
  redirects to =3D=3D> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/geronimo-de= v/

User mailing list archive
http:= //geronimo.apache.org/redirects/userMailingList.html
  redirects to =3D=3D> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/geronimo-u= ser/

JIRA
http://geronim= o.apache.org/redirects/issues.html
  redirects to =3D=3D> http://nagoya.apache.org/jira/secure/Bro= wseProject.jspa?id=3D10220


Best wishes,
Paul

On 12/6/05, Joe Bohn <joe.bohn@ear= thlink.net> wrote:

Dain,

Sounds like a good idea.  Will you be creating t= hese URLs with the
redirects (I assume only a committer can do this)?&nb= sp;  If you let me know
when they are complete I'll update the web = console welcome and welcome
page to reference these instead.  We would need these links (= just one or
two additions to your list Dain):

http://geronimo.apache.org/issues =3D=3D>= jira (problem tracking)
http://geronimo.apache.org/= wiki =3D=3D> our current wiki
http://geronimo.apache.org/download =3D=3D> our downloa= d page
http://geronimo.apache.org/IRC =3D=3D> IRC - do we need a redirect for this?
http://geronimo.apache.org/moreSamples = =3D=3D> Additional Samples (on
confluence)
http:/= /geronimo.apache.org/confluence =3D=3D> Confluence  ***
*** Based on the earlier responses I assume that we want to keep theconfluence link on the welcome pages.  Would this not be needed= with the
PDF that is also being discussed or do we also want the live link as we= ll?


There are a few others but they are already hosted in geroni= mo.apache
such as Documentation, FAQs, dev & user mail archives.

Joe

Dain Sundstrom wrote:
> +1 lets define some URLs u= nder geronimo.apache.org and set= up redirect
> rules for them
>
> I suggest the following:
>
> http://geron= imo.apache.org/issues =3D=3D> jira insall
> http://geronimo.apache.org/wiki =3D=3D> ou= r current wiki
> http://geronimo.ap= ache.org/download =3D=3D> our download page
>
> maybe>
> http://g= eronimo.apache.org/documentation
> http://geronimo.= apache.org/source
>
> -dain
>
> On Dec 6, 2005,= at 8:23 AM, Paul McMahan wrote:
>
>> I agree with Hernan th= at the current links in the welcome portlet  are
>> very helpful.  But I think we should only keep them = if we can  be sure
>> they won't change in the foreseeab= le future.  IMO the best  way to
>> ensure tha= t would be to set up redirects and/or aliases  under the
>> HTTP server for geronim= o.apache.org.
>>
>> For example, the "Problem Tr= acking Database" link in the welcome
>> portlet currently poi= nts at :
>> http://nagoya.apache.org/jira/secure/BrowseProject.jspa?id= =3D10220
>> But it's likely that URL could become stale within= the lifespan of
>> the Geronimo 1.0 console.
>>
>> So instead t= he welcome portlet could point at:
>> http://geronimo.apache.org/problems
>> and= the server could redirect to the actual address.
>>
>> Can someone familiar with how the geronimo.apache.org HTTP server  is>> administered please advise whether or not this sounds like a
&= gt;> reasonable approach?
>>
>> thanks,
>> Paul
>>
>>>> On 12/6/05, Hernan Cunico <hcunico@gmail.com> wrote: Hi All,
>> I would like to kee= p the link to the confluence site (the one  hosted by
>> Atlassian). Jason is working on getting a confluence site (lic= ensed)
>> hosted in one of the zones. Whenever the decision is tak= en on (if)
>> moving the wiki, then we can update the console in t= he next refresh or
>> as an intermediate "fix".
>>
>> Fo= r an immediate (but yet temporary) solution I would suggest, once &nbs= p;the
>> confluence doc is officially moved (if it is moved), to h= ave a  redirect
>> on the Atlassian site.
>>
>> Cheers!
>= > Hernan
>>
>> Joe Bohn wrote:
>> >
>= ;> > When creating the Welcome Page with the new look & feel and = the web
>> > console welcome portlet I included a link to the current = confluence
>> > documentation.   This is the "Ad= ditional Documentation" link.  I  added
>>= ; > it because I was thinking that this documentation was too good to&nb= sp; not
>> > have an easy way for the end user to access it and was cu= rious to
>> see if
>> > anybody would complain.
>= ;> >
>> > Given all of the debate about confluence and th= e possibility that  the
>> > current confluence content may or may not be moving into = a more
>> official
>> > site, I guess I should remove = these links.  Hopefully, whatever is
>> > decided wil= l ensure that this documentation is readily available  to
>> the
>> > users for V1 (even if it requires one lev= el of indirection).  So
>> I'll go
>> > ahea= d and remove the links unless somebody really, really, thinks we
>>= ; > should keep them.
>> >
>> > BTW, if we do make a complete change fro= m the wiki to confluence is
>> > there any possibility that we = could keep the same URL?  The  Welcome
>> page=
>> > has always included a link to the wiki and it would be gr= eat if this
>> > didn't become a dead link on the installed images. &= nbsp;It would
>> probably be
>> > better if we removed= all of the links on the welcome page and the  web
>> &g= t; console welcome portlet and just point the user to the Geronimo home
>> > page.  This would allow us to keep things "= ;up to date".  Should I go
>> > ahead and make t= his change too while updating the welcome page  and the
>&g= t; > web console welcome portlet?
>> >
>> > Joe
>> >
>> >>>
>
>
>

--
Joe Bohn
joe.bohn@earthlink.net

"He is no = fool who gives what he cannot keep, to gain what he cannot
lose."   -- Jim Elliot

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