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From: David Jencks <david_jencks@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [VOTE] -- M5 release -- (Was Re: 1.0-M5 candidate build)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 21:49:05 -0700
To: dev@geronimo.apache.org


On Oct 2, 2005, at 9:11 PM, Aaron Mulder wrote:

> On 10/2/05, Geir Magnusson Jr. <geirm@apache.org> wrote:
>> Aaron - how do you feel about actually releasing this... care to vote?
>
> I would like to vote -1 until there's an installer package available,
> but it seemed like it would be rude.  So now I'm hoping that the vote
> drags on long enough for David and I to work out the path to the
> installer.  :)

I've managed to convince myself that we can claim the tests we have 
already run cover the installer version as well as the zip version 
since they include exactly the same jar files, directory structure, and 
configurations.  The only difference is in the config.xml and 
config.list files, which are changed to run the tck anyway.  I would 
prefer in the future that the Izpack stuff be run from a maven plugin 
and integrated in the build and work by unpacking or including the zip 
distribution, but am willing to use what we have for M5.  David Blevins 
is working on building an installer.  With luck it will be available 
shortly.

thanks
david jencks


>
> Aaron
>
>> On Oct 2, 2005, at 9:05 PM, Aaron Mulder wrote:
>>
>>> Well, as soon as IzPack 3.8 goes final, it should be in Maven -- the
>>> previous release is.  I would be happy to make that a condition of
>>> Geronimo 1.0, but I don't think it's necessary for M5.
>>>
>>> It's fine with me if the installer is build by unpacking the
>>> assembly zip.
>>>
>>> Aaron
>>>
>>> On 10/2/05, David Jencks <david_jencks@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think there are a couple of issues:
>>>> 1. It is a really lot of work to run the tck, and I'm not up for
>>>> doing
>>>> it again for a while.  I would prefer to find a way to claim that 
>>>> the
>>>> geronimo installer is covered by the tests run on the zip distro.  I
>>>> would be quite happy claiming this if the installer was built by
>>>> unpacking the zip into the installer directory rather than copying
>>>> all/most of the files.  It's probably fine if we build the installer
>>>> using the same assembly directory, but I'd like some other
>>>> opinions on
>>>> this.
>>>>
>>>> 2. Related to the above, we should build the installer on the same
>>>> assembly module copy as the zip.  That's one of David Blevin's
>>>> machines, so he should do it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Also, if we can distribute our own Axis, I'm sure we can distribute
>>>>> our own IzPack.  But really, I don't think there's a compelling 
>>>>> need
>>>>> to, since no one needs IzPack to install or run the product.  
>>>>> (Also,
>>>>> you say you couldn't get a copy for yourself, but that's only
>>>>> because
>>>>> the download was troublesome for you, right?  If I had a nickel for
>>>>> every time ibiblio crapped out... :)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ibiblio sometimes has problems, but it is a well known well
>>>> advertised
>>>> site with automated downloads and usually works fine.  Stuff
>>>> available
>>>> from it has at least theoretically been officially released by its
>>>> authors.  The current version of izpack is on a secret site that you
>>>> need a password for and that in my experience has not yet worked.  
>>>> It
>>>> has not been officially released and I have no idea how it was 
>>>> built.
>>>> I'm not sure how much of an issue I have with this for M5 but I
>>>> really
>>>> don't want to continue this state of affairs through the next
>>>> release.
>>>> I think izpack has to be run from maven.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone else have an opinion?
>>>>
>>>> thanks
>>>> david jencks
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Aaron
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/2/05, David Jencks <david_jencks@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 2, 2005, at 8:00 AM, Aaron Mulder wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cool.  Can you publish a candidate installer, too?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> well, I'm not sure.  I see two potential problems, aside from 
>>>>>> being
>>>>>> too
>>>>>> tired right now to put it together :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. We aren't set up to certify it, how would we make it clear
>>>>>> that the
>>>>>> installer version wasn't certified?  Or is it certified???  I'd
>>>>>> prefer
>>>>>> to find a way to certify the installer based version.  I think it
>>>>>> would
>>>>>> be easy to build the installer using maven, but I'm not sure about
>>>>>> unpacking/running it to get something to test.  If we found a
>>>>>> way to
>>>>>> make the installer include the certified zip distribution and just
>>>>>> unpack it and change the config.* files I don't think this would
>>>>>> be an
>>>>>> issue.  Maybe it's ok to claim the installer is certified if it is
>>>>>> built from the same assembly as the zip.  I'm just not sure.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. It's built with unreleased software that I at least couldn't 
>>>>>> get
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> myself. I suppose that we could include a copy of the installer 
>>>>>> kit
>>>>>> version we use, as we have included a copy of axis.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway I hope we can figure out a way to answer these questions
>>>>>> so we
>>>>>> can put out a installer version.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>> david jencks
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>     Aaron
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 10/2/05, Geir Magnusson Jr. <geirm@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (just making it clear for others)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> +1 from me
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks everyone for the incredible work to make this happen.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> geir
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Oct 2, 2005, at 8:15 AM, David Jencks wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The 1.0-M5  branch passed all the tck tests, so David Blevins
>>>>>>>>> and I
>>>>>>>>> have tagged geronimo and openejb and built a candidate 1.0-M5
>>>>>>>>> zip.
>>>>>>>>> We are running the tck on this.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The zip is available for testing at
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://people.apache.org/~dblevins/geronimo-1.0-M5.zip
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We'd like to call for a vote on a release based on this tag
>>>>>>>>> conditional on the tck passing (again).  I think the process
>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>> be that after the vote we would work on publishing the jars,
>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>> zip distribution, and a source distribution.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Many thanks,
>>>>>>>>> david jencks
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Geir Magnusson Jr
>>>>>>>> +1-203-665-6437
>>>>>>>> geirm@apache.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Geir Magnusson Jr                                  +1-203-665-6437
>> geirm@apache.org
>>
>>
>>
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