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From: "Geir Magnusson Jr." <geirm@apache.org>
Subject: Re: [VOTE] -- M5 release -- (Was Re: 1.0-M5 candidate build)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 00:52:57 -0400
To: dev@geronimo.apache.org

Excellent!

The post I just hit "send" for is moot...

geir

On Oct 3, 2005, at 12:49 AM, David Jencks wrote:

>
> On Oct 2, 2005, at 9:11 PM, Aaron Mulder wrote:
>
>
>> On 10/2/05, Geir Magnusson Jr. <geirm@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Aaron - how do you feel about actually releasing this... care to  
>>> vote?
>>>
>>
>> I would like to vote -1 until there's an installer package available,
>> but it seemed like it would be rude.  So now I'm hoping that the vote
>> drags on long enough for David and I to work out the path to the
>> installer.  :)
>>
>
> I've managed to convince myself that we can claim the tests we have  
> already run cover the installer version as well as the zip version  
> since they include exactly the same jar files, directory structure,  
> and configurations.  The only difference is in the config.xml and  
> config.list files, which are changed to run the tck anyway.  I  
> would prefer in the future that the Izpack stuff be run from a  
> maven plugin and integrated in the build and work by unpacking or  
> including the zip distribution, but am willing to use what we have  
> for M5.  David Blevins is working on building an installer.  With  
> luck it will be available shortly.
>
> thanks
> david jencks
>
>
>
>>
>> Aaron
>>
>>
>>> On Oct 2, 2005, at 9:05 PM, Aaron Mulder wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Well, as soon as IzPack 3.8 goes final, it should be in Maven --  
>>>> the
>>>> previous release is.  I would be happy to make that a condition of
>>>> Geronimo 1.0, but I don't think it's necessary for M5.
>>>>
>>>> It's fine with me if the installer is build by unpacking the
>>>> assembly zip.
>>>>
>>>> Aaron
>>>>
>>>> On 10/2/05, David Jencks <david_jencks@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I think there are a couple of issues:
>>>>> 1. It is a really lot of work to run the tck, and I'm not up for
>>>>> doing
>>>>> it again for a while.  I would prefer to find a way to claim  
>>>>> that the
>>>>> geronimo installer is covered by the tests run on the zip  
>>>>> distro.  I
>>>>> would be quite happy claiming this if the installer was built by
>>>>> unpacking the zip into the installer directory rather than copying
>>>>> all/most of the files.  It's probably fine if we build the  
>>>>> installer
>>>>> using the same assembly directory, but I'd like some other
>>>>> opinions on
>>>>> this.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. Related to the above, we should build the installer on the same
>>>>> assembly module copy as the zip.  That's one of David Blevin's
>>>>> machines, so he should do it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, if we can distribute our own Axis, I'm sure we can  
>>>>>> distribute
>>>>>> our own IzPack.  But really, I don't think there's a  
>>>>>> compelling need
>>>>>> to, since no one needs IzPack to install or run the product.   
>>>>>> (Also,
>>>>>> you say you couldn't get a copy for yourself, but that's only
>>>>>> because
>>>>>> the download was troublesome for you, right?  If I had a  
>>>>>> nickel for
>>>>>> every time ibiblio crapped out... :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ibiblio sometimes has problems, but it is a well known well
>>>>> advertised
>>>>> site with automated downloads and usually works fine.  Stuff
>>>>> available
>>>>> from it has at least theoretically been officially released by its
>>>>> authors.  The current version of izpack is on a secret site  
>>>>> that you
>>>>> need a password for and that in my experience has not yet  
>>>>> worked.  It
>>>>> has not been officially released and I have no idea how it was  
>>>>> built.
>>>>> I'm not sure how much of an issue I have with this for M5 but I
>>>>> really
>>>>> don't want to continue this state of affairs through the next
>>>>> release.
>>>>> I think izpack has to be run from maven.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone else have an opinion?
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks
>>>>> david jencks
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Aaron
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/2/05, David Jencks <david_jencks@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Oct 2, 2005, at 8:00 AM, Aaron Mulder wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cool.  Can you publish a candidate installer, too?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> well, I'm not sure.  I see two potential problems, aside from  
>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>> too
>>>>>>> tired right now to put it together :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. We aren't set up to certify it, how would we make it clear
>>>>>>> that the
>>>>>>> installer version wasn't certified?  Or is it certified???  I'd
>>>>>>> prefer
>>>>>>> to find a way to certify the installer based version.  I  
>>>>>>> think it
>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>> be easy to build the installer using maven, but I'm not sure  
>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>> unpacking/running it to get something to test.  If we found a
>>>>>>> way to
>>>>>>> make the installer include the certified zip distribution and  
>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>> unpack it and change the config.* files I don't think this would
>>>>>>> be an
>>>>>>> issue.  Maybe it's ok to claim the installer is certified if  
>>>>>>> it is
>>>>>>> built from the same assembly as the zip.  I'm just not sure.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2. It's built with unreleased software that I at least  
>>>>>>> couldn't get
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> myself. I suppose that we could include a copy of the  
>>>>>>> installer kit
>>>>>>> version we use, as we have included a copy of axis.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyway I hope we can figure out a way to answer these questions
>>>>>>> so we
>>>>>>> can put out a installer version.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>>> david jencks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>     Aaron
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 10/2/05, Geir Magnusson Jr. <geirm@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (just making it clear for others)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> +1 from me
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks everyone for the incredible work to make this happen.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> geir
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Oct 2, 2005, at 8:15 AM, David Jencks wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The 1.0-M5  branch passed all the tck tests, so David Blevins
>>>>>>>>>> and I
>>>>>>>>>> have tagged geronimo and openejb and built a candidate 1.0-M5
>>>>>>>>>> zip.
>>>>>>>>>> We are running the tck on this.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The zip is available for testing at
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://people.apache.org/~dblevins/geronimo-1.0-M5.zip
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We'd like to call for a vote on a release based on this tag
>>>>>>>>>> conditional on the tck passing (again).  I think the process
>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>> be that after the vote we would work on publishing the jars,
>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>> zip distribution, and a source distribution.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Many thanks,
>>>>>>>>>> david jencks
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Geir Magnusson Jr
>>>>>>>>> +1-203-665-6437
>>>>>>>>> geirm@apache.org
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Geir Magnusson Jr                                  +1-203-665-6437
>>> geirm@apache.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

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