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From Aaron Mulder <ammul...@alumni.princeton.edu>
Subject Re: [VOTE] -- M5 release -- (Was Re: 1.0-M5 candidate build)
Date Mon, 03 Oct 2005 18:49:30 GMT
On 10/3/05, Geir Magnusson Jr. <geirm@apache.org> wrote:
>
>
> On Oct 3, 2005, at 2:04 PM, Aaron Mulder wrote:
>
> > If the installer will be ready tomorrow, can we just declare our
> > release party to be tomorrow and provide them all at once? I would
> > prefer that the installer not be a second-class citizen.
>
> Agreed. I'm with you...
>
> >
> > That said, if the installer would be ready tomorrow, I won't
> > complain if everyone else wants to release today.
>
> I assume you mean "won't"?


Perhaps I should have said "as long as we're committed to release the
installer tomorrow, I definitely won't -1 a release today, it's close
enough." But my preference is still to do it all together tomorrow. :)

Aaron


> Aaron
> >
> > On 10/3/05, Geir Magnusson Jr. <geirm@apache.org> wrote: How do we
> > want to proceed?
> >
> > As i understand it, the tgz and zip distros are done and tested, and
> > all is well. Can we release those and follow up with the installer
> > as soon as available?
> >
> > geir
> >
> > On Oct 3, 2005, at 2:40 AM, David Jencks wrote:
> >
> > > First, the good news:
> > >
> > > All the tck tests pass for the 1.0-M5 candidate build for both
> > > jetty and tomcat!
> > >
> > > Unfortunately, there seems to be a problem with the geronimo-
> > > installer.jar. It works fine for jetty but the tomcat included
> > > does not seem to include GERONIMO-1036: the tomcat configurations
> > > are not relocatable.
> > >
> > > I've done some experiments and it appears that the zip distro does
> > > include this fix, and "reverse engineering" the zip distro into an
> > > installer also includes this fix (but has other problems). So, I
> > > think david used the wrong copy of geronimo to build the installer
> > > and we will have to try again tomorrow.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > david jencks
> > >
> > > On Oct 2, 2005, at 10:15 PM, David Blevins wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >> Ta-da!
> > >>
> > >> http://people.apache.org/~dblevins/geronimo-installer.jar
> > >>
> > >> -David
> > >>
> > >> On Oct 2, 2005, at 9:49 PM, David Jencks wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Oct 2, 2005, at 9:11 PM, Aaron Mulder wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> On 10/2/05, Geir Magnusson Jr. <geirm@apache.org> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Aaron - how do you feel about actually releasing this... care
> > >>>>> to vote?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I would like to vote -1 until there's an installer package
> > >>>> available,
> > >>>> but it seemed like it would be rude. So now I'm hoping that the
> > >>>> vote
> > >>>> drags on long enough for David and I to work out the path to the
> > >>>> installer. :)
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>> I've managed to convince myself that we can claim the tests we
> > >>> have already run cover the installer version as well as the zip
> > >>> version since they include exactly the same jar files, directory
> > >>> structure, and configurations. The only difference is in the
> > >>> config.xml and config.list files, which are changed to run the
> > >>> tck anyway. I would prefer in the future that the Izpack stuff
> > >>> be run from a maven plugin and integrated in the build and work
> > >>> by unpacking or including the zip distribution, but am willing to
> > >>> use what we have for M5. David Blevins is working on building an
> > >>> installer. With luck it will be available shortly.
> > >>>
> > >>> thanks
> > >>> david jencks
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Aaron
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> On Oct 2, 2005, at 9:05 PM, Aaron Mulder wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Well, as soon as IzPack 3.8 goes final, it should be in
Maven
> > >>>>>> -- the
> > >>>>>> previous release is. I would be happy to make that a
> > >>>>>> condition of
> > >>>>>> Geronimo 1.0, but I don't think it's necessary for M5.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> It's fine with me if the installer is build by unpacking
the
> > >>>>>> assembly zip.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Aaron
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On 10/2/05, David Jencks <david_jencks@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I think there are a couple of issues:
> > >>>>>>> 1. It is a really lot of work to run the tck, and I'm
not
> > up for
> > >>>>>>> doing
> > >>>>>>> it again for a while. I would prefer to find a way
to claim
> > >>>>>>> that the
> > >>>>>>> geronimo installer is covered by the tests run on the
zip
> > >>>>>>> distro. I
> > >>>>>>> would be quite happy claiming this if the installer
was
> > built by
> > >>>>>>> unpacking the zip into the installer directory rather
than
> > >>>>>>> copying
> > >>>>>>> all/most of the files. It's probably fine if we build
the
> > >>>>>>> installer
> > >>>>>>> using the same assembly directory, but I'd like some
other
> > >>>>>>> opinions on
> > >>>>>>> this.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> 2. Related to the above, we should build the installer
on the
> > >>>>>>> same
> > >>>>>>> assembly module copy as the zip. That's one of David
Blevin's
> > >>>>>>> machines, so he should do it.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Also, if we can distribute our own Axis, I'm sure
we can
> > >>>>>>>> distribute
> > >>>>>>>> our own IzPack. But really, I don't think there's
a
> > >>>>>>>> compelling need
> > >>>>>>>> to, since no one needs IzPack to install or run
the
> > >>>>>>>> product. (Also,
> > >>>>>>>> you say you couldn't get a copy for yourself, but
that's only
> > >>>>>>>> because
> > >>>>>>>> the download was troublesome for you, right? If
I had a
> > >>>>>>>> nickel for
> > >>>>>>>> every time ibiblio crapped out... :)
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Ibiblio sometimes has problems, but it is a well known
well
> > >>>>>>> advertised
> > >>>>>>> site with automated downloads and usually works fine.
Stuff
> > >>>>>>> available
> > >>>>>>> from it has at least theoretically been officially
released
> > >>>>>>> by its
> > >>>>>>> authors. The current version of izpack is on a secret
site
> > >>>>>>> that you
> > >>>>>>> need a password for and that in my experience has not
yet
> > >>>>>>> worked. It
> > >>>>>>> has not been officially released and I have no idea
how it
> > >>>>>>> was built.
> > >>>>>>> I'm not sure how much of an issue I have with this
for M5
> > but I
> > >>>>>>> really
> > >>>>>>> don't want to continue this state of affairs through
the next
> > >>>>>>> release.
> > >>>>>>> I think izpack has to be run from maven.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Anyone else have an opinion?
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> thanks
> > >>>>>>> david jencks
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Aaron
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> On 10/2/05, David Jencks <david_jencks@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> On Oct 2, 2005, at 8:00 AM, Aaron Mulder wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Cool. Can you publish a candidate installer,
too?
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> well, I'm not sure. I see two potential problems,
aside
> > >>>>>>>>> from being
> > >>>>>>>>> too
> > >>>>>>>>> tired right now to put it together :-)
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> 1. We aren't set up to certify it, how would
we make it
> > clear
> > >>>>>>>>> that the
> > >>>>>>>>> installer version wasn't certified? Or is it
certified???
> > >>>>>>>>> I'd
> > >>>>>>>>> prefer
> > >>>>>>>>> to find a way to certify the installer based
version. I
> > >>>>>>>>> think it
> > >>>>>>>>> would
> > >>>>>>>>> be easy to build the installer using maven,
but I'm not
> > >>>>>>>>> sure about
> > >>>>>>>>> unpacking/running it to get something to test.
If we
> > found a
> > >>>>>>>>> way to
> > >>>>>>>>> make the installer include the certified zip
distribution
> > >>>>>>>>> and just
> > >>>>>>>>> unpack it and change the config.* files I don't
think this
> > >>>>>>>>> would
> > >>>>>>>>> be an
> > >>>>>>>>> issue. Maybe it's ok to claim the installer
is certified
> > >>>>>>>>> if it is
> > >>>>>>>>> built from the same assembly as the zip. I'm
just not sure.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> 2. It's built with unreleased software that
I at least
> > >>>>>>>>> couldn't get
> > >>>>>>>>> for
> > >>>>>>>>> myself. I suppose that we could include a copy
of the
> > >>>>>>>>> installer kit
> > >>>>>>>>> version we use, as we have included a copy
of axis.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Anyway I hope we can figure out a way to answer
these
> > >>>>>>>>> questions
> > >>>>>>>>> so we
> > >>>>>>>>> can put out a installer version.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> thanks
> > >>>>>>>>> david jencks
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> > >>>>>>>>>> Aaron
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> On 10/2/05, Geir Magnusson Jr. <geirm@apache.org>
wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> (just making it clear for others)
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> +1 from me
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks everyone for the incredible
work to make this
> > happen.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> geir
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 2, 2005, at 8:15 AM, David Jencks
wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> The 1.0-M5 branch passed all the
tck tests, so David
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Blevins
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> and I
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> have tagged geronimo and openejb
and built a candidate
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> 1.0-M5
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> zip.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> We are running the tck on this.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> The zip is available for testing
at
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> http://people.apache.org/~dblevins/geronimo-1.0-M5.zip
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> We'd like to call for a vote on
a release based on
> > this tag
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> conditional on the tck passing
(again). I think the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> process
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> would
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> be that after the vote we would
work on publishing the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> jars,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> this
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> zip distribution, and a source
distribution.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Many thanks,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> david jencks
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Geir Magnusson Jr
> > >>>>>>>>>>> +1-203-665-6437
> > >>>>>>>>>>> geirm@apache.org
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> --
> > >>>>> Geir Magnusson Jr
> > +1-203-665-6437
> > >>>>> geirm@apache.org
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Geir Magnusson Jr +1-203-665-6437
> > geirm@apache.org
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Geir Magnusson Jr +1-203-665-6437
> geirm@apache.org
>
>
>

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