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From "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [VOTE] -- M5 release -- (Was Re: 1.0-M5 candidate build)
Date Mon, 03 Oct 2005 18:14:33 GMT

On Oct 3, 2005, at 2:04 PM, Aaron Mulder wrote:

> If the installer will be ready tomorrow, can we just declare our  
> release party to be tomorrow and provide them all at once?  I would  
> prefer that the installer not be a second-class citizen.

Agreed.  I'm with you...

>
> That said, if the installer would be ready tomorrow, I won't  
> complain if everyone else wants to release today.

I assume you mean "won't"?

geir

>
> Aaron
>
> On 10/3/05, Geir Magnusson Jr. <geirm@apache.org> wrote: How do we  
> want to proceed?
>
> As i understand it, the tgz and zip distros are done and tested, and
> all is well.  Can we release those and follow up with the installer
> as soon as available?
>
> geir
>
> On Oct 3, 2005, at 2:40 AM, David Jencks wrote:
>
> > First, the good news:
> >
> > All the tck tests pass for the 1.0-M5 candidate build for both
> > jetty and tomcat!
> >
> > Unfortunately, there seems to be a problem with the geronimo-
> > installer.jar.  It works fine for jetty but the tomcat included
> > does not seem to include GERONIMO-1036: the tomcat configurations
> > are not relocatable.
> >
> > I've done some experiments and it appears that the zip distro does
> > include this fix, and "reverse engineering" the zip distro into an
> > installer also includes this fix (but has other problems).  So, I
> > think david used the wrong copy of geronimo to build the installer
> > and we will have to try again tomorrow.
> >
> > Thanks
> > david jencks
> >
> > On Oct 2, 2005, at 10:15 PM, David Blevins wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Ta-da!
> >>
> >> http://people.apache.org/~dblevins/geronimo-installer.jar
> >>
> >> -David
> >>
> >> On Oct 2, 2005, at 9:49 PM, David Jencks wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> On Oct 2, 2005, at 9:11 PM, Aaron Mulder wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On 10/2/05, Geir Magnusson Jr. <geirm@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Aaron - how do you feel about actually releasing this... care
> >>>>> to vote?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I would like to vote -1 until there's an installer package
> >>>> available,
> >>>> but it seemed like it would be rude.  So now I'm hoping that the
> >>>> vote
> >>>> drags on long enough for David and I to work out the path to the
> >>>> installer.  :)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> I've managed to convince myself that we can claim the tests we
> >>> have already run cover the installer version as well as the zip
> >>> version since they include exactly the same jar files, directory
> >>> structure, and configurations.  The only difference is in the
> >>> config.xml and config.list files, which are changed to run the
> >>> tck anyway.  I would prefer in the future that the Izpack stuff
> >>> be run from a maven plugin and integrated in the build and work
> >>> by unpacking or including the zip distribution, but am willing to
> >>> use what we have for M5.  David Blevins is working on building an
> >>> installer.  With luck it will be available shortly.
> >>>
> >>> thanks
> >>> david jencks
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Aaron
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Oct 2, 2005, at 9:05 PM, Aaron Mulder wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Well, as soon as IzPack 3.8 goes final, it should be in Maven
> >>>>>> -- the
> >>>>>> previous release is.  I would be happy to make that a
> >>>>>> condition of
> >>>>>> Geronimo 1.0, but I don't think it's necessary for M5.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It's fine with me if the installer is build by unpacking the
> >>>>>> assembly zip.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Aaron
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 10/2/05, David Jencks <david_jencks@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I think there are a couple of issues:
> >>>>>>> 1. It is a really lot of work to run the tck, and I'm not
 
> up for
> >>>>>>> doing
> >>>>>>> it again for a while.  I would prefer to find a way to claim
> >>>>>>> that the
> >>>>>>> geronimo installer is covered by the tests run on the zip
> >>>>>>> distro.  I
> >>>>>>> would be quite happy claiming this if the installer was
 
> built by
> >>>>>>> unpacking the zip into the installer directory rather than
> >>>>>>> copying
> >>>>>>> all/most of the files.  It's probably fine if we build the
> >>>>>>> installer
> >>>>>>> using the same assembly directory, but I'd like some other
> >>>>>>> opinions on
> >>>>>>> this.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 2. Related to the above, we should build the installer on
the
> >>>>>>> same
> >>>>>>> assembly module copy as the zip.  That's one of David Blevin's
> >>>>>>> machines, so he should do it.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Also, if we can distribute our own Axis, I'm sure we
can
> >>>>>>>> distribute
> >>>>>>>> our own IzPack.  But really, I don't think there's a
> >>>>>>>> compelling need
> >>>>>>>> to, since no one needs IzPack to install or run the
> >>>>>>>> product.  (Also,
> >>>>>>>> you say you couldn't get a copy for yourself, but that's
only
> >>>>>>>> because
> >>>>>>>> the download was troublesome for you, right?  If I had
a
> >>>>>>>> nickel for
> >>>>>>>> every time ibiblio crapped out... :)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Ibiblio sometimes has problems, but it is a well known well
> >>>>>>> advertised
> >>>>>>> site with automated downloads and usually works fine.  Stuff
> >>>>>>> available
> >>>>>>> from it has at least theoretically been officially released
> >>>>>>> by its
> >>>>>>> authors.  The current version of izpack is on a secret site
> >>>>>>> that you
> >>>>>>> need a password for and that in my experience has not yet
> >>>>>>> worked.  It
> >>>>>>> has not been officially released and I have no idea how
it
> >>>>>>> was built.
> >>>>>>> I'm not sure how much of an issue I have with this for M5
 
> but I
> >>>>>>> really
> >>>>>>> don't want to continue this state of affairs through the
next
> >>>>>>> release.
> >>>>>>> I think izpack has to be run from maven.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Anyone else have an opinion?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> thanks
> >>>>>>> david jencks
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Aaron
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 10/2/05, David Jencks <david_jencks@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Oct 2, 2005, at 8:00 AM, Aaron Mulder wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Cool.  Can you publish a candidate installer,
too?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> well, I'm not sure.  I see two potential problems,
aside
> >>>>>>>>> from being
> >>>>>>>>> too
> >>>>>>>>> tired right now to put it together :-)
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> 1. We aren't set up to certify it, how would we
make it  
> clear
> >>>>>>>>> that the
> >>>>>>>>> installer version wasn't certified?  Or is it certified???
> >>>>>>>>> I'd
> >>>>>>>>> prefer
> >>>>>>>>> to find a way to certify the installer based version.
 I
> >>>>>>>>> think it
> >>>>>>>>> would
> >>>>>>>>> be easy to build the installer using maven, but
I'm not
> >>>>>>>>> sure about
> >>>>>>>>> unpacking/running it to get something to test. 
If we  
> found a
> >>>>>>>>> way to
> >>>>>>>>> make the installer include the certified zip distribution
> >>>>>>>>> and just
> >>>>>>>>> unpack it and change the config.* files I don't
think this
> >>>>>>>>> would
> >>>>>>>>> be an
> >>>>>>>>> issue.  Maybe it's ok to claim the installer is
certified
> >>>>>>>>> if it is
> >>>>>>>>> built from the same assembly as the zip.  I'm just
not sure.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> 2. It's built with unreleased software that I at
least
> >>>>>>>>> couldn't get
> >>>>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>>>> myself. I suppose that we could include a copy of
the
> >>>>>>>>> installer kit
> >>>>>>>>> version we use, as we have included a copy of axis.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Anyway I hope we can figure out a way to answer
these
> >>>>>>>>> questions
> >>>>>>>>> so we
> >>>>>>>>> can put out a installer version.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> thanks
> >>>>>>>>> david jencks
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>>>>     Aaron
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On 10/2/05, Geir Magnusson Jr. <geirm@apache.org>
wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> (just making it clear for others)
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> +1 from me
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks everyone for the incredible work
to make this  
> happen.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> geir
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 2, 2005, at 8:15 AM, David Jencks
wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> The 1.0-M5  branch passed all the tck
tests, so David
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Blevins
> >>>>>>>>>>>> and I
> >>>>>>>>>>>> have tagged geronimo and openejb and
built a candidate
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 1.0-M5
> >>>>>>>>>>>> zip.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> We are running the tck on this.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> The zip is available for testing at
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://people.apache.org/~dblevins/geronimo-1.0-M5.zip
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> We'd like to call for a vote on a release
based on  
> this tag
> >>>>>>>>>>>> conditional on the tck passing (again).
 I think the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> process
> >>>>>>>>>>>> would
> >>>>>>>>>>>> be that after the vote we would work
on publishing the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> jars,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> this
> >>>>>>>>>>>> zip distribution, and a source distribution.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Many thanks,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> david jencks
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>> Geir Magnusson Jr
> >>>>>>>>>>> +1-203-665-6437
> >>>>>>>>>>> geirm@apache.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Geir Magnusson Jr                                   
> +1-203-665-6437
> >>>>> geirm@apache.org
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
> --
> Geir Magnusson Jr                                  +1-203-665-6437
> geirm@apache.org
>
>
>

-- 
Geir Magnusson Jr                                  +1-203-665-6437
geirm@apache.org



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