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From anita kulshreshtha <a_kuls...@yahoo.com>
Subject Re: What do we do about fixable problems in M5?
Date Wed, 05 Oct 2005 17:34:21 GMT
I apologize for being so sloppy today. :-( I do see
config.xml.bak in the zip distribution.

--- anita kulshreshtha <a_kulshre@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Never mind, it is being created later.
> 
> Thanks
> Anita
> 
> --- anita kulshreshtha <a_kulshre@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > 
> > --- "Geir Magnusson Jr." <geirm@apache.org> wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > On Oct 5, 2005, at 11:29 AM, Joe Bohn wrote:
> > > 
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> On Oct 5, 2005, at 11:01 AM, Joe Bohn wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> I think there's two different types of
> > problems
> > > here that are  
> > > >>> being  confused.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> The first is a few configuration issues with
> > the
> > > zip image that   
> > > >>> Stefan (in the tomcat config.xml) and Matt
> > (with
> > > the TranQL and   
> > > >>> DB2) have discovered.  There may be more of
> > > these but these  
> > > >>> types  of issues that arise but they are
> *not*
> > > issues which 100%  
> > > >>> of  customers will hit.  For these types of
> > > problems I think that  
> > > >>> an  errata on the download page should
> suffice
> > > (with individual   
> > > >>> replacement modules and directions).
> > 
> >       In  geronimo-1.0-M5.zip I see a
> > config.xml.bak!
> > This issue will not affect anyone one. 
> > 
> > Thanks
> > Anita
> > 
> > 
> > > >>>
> > > >>> The second is another issue that Stefan
> > > discovered which  
> > > >>> involves  the installer.  This is the type
> of
> > > thing that can  
> > > >>> affect a lot of  users and may be something
> > that
> > > would cause us  
> > > >>> to create an M6.   However, since the
> > installer
> > > is itself a  
> > > >>> unique download do we  really have to build
> > > another M6 to replace  
> > > >>> it?  Can't we just build  a new installer
> off
> > > the M5 image with  
> > > >>> changes to the installer  alone that should
> > not
> > > affect the TCK  
> > > >>> results?  If possible I think  this would be
> a
> > > better solution  
> > > >>> than dropping it completely from M5.
> > > >>>
> > > >> I don't think we're advocating dropping it -
> > just
> > > redoing it...
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > I meant potentially dropping it from M5 (as
> > Kevan
> > > alluded to) ...  
> > > > not from history.  :-)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Another idea would be to just add some very
> > "in
> > > your face"   
> > > >>> statements around the download link for the
> > > installer itself.   
> > > >>> Does  Apache regulate what you can and
> cannot
> > > include on the  
> > > >>> download page?
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >> The geronimo download page is governed by the
> > > project.  How "in  
> > > >> your  face" are you thinking here?
> > > >> Probably don't want "If you use this, your
> > > (@!#@!@-ed, and if you   
> > > >> don't like it, you can go *(@#!@*@!#)!@#"
> > > >> :D
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > I wasn't thinking that kind of "in your face" 
> > :-)
> > >    Rather,  
> > > > something along the lines of:
> > > > %link%   this is an executable JAR, so install
> > it
> > > using java -jar  
> > > > geronimo-1.0-M5-installer.jar.
> > > > WARNING: If no selections are made in the
> > > installation both  
> > > > containers will be included with common
> > > (colliding) port numbers.  
> > > > It is recommended that you choose either
> > > Tomcat-only, Jetty-only,  
> > > > or explicitly specify the ports for each
> > > container.
> > > 
> > > Sure!  That's easy.  But isn't there another
> > problem
> > > w/ the  
> > > installer?  Can we put the additional errata
> > there?
> > > 
> > > geir
> > > 
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> geir
> > > >>
> > > >>> Joe
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Kevan Miller wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Without a really big disclaimer on the
> > download
> > > page, my guess  
> > > >>>> is  that approximately 100% of
> > new-to-Geronimo
> > > M5 Installer  
> > > >>>> users will  run into this problem. All you
> > have
> > > to do is keep  
> > > >>>> hitting "Next".  I did. I just never
> started
> > my
> > > "installed"  
> > > >>>> server, because I'd  already tested the
> > > zipped/tarred version of  
> > > >>>> code (my mistake).
> > > >>>> I don't think an errata is sufficient and I
> > > don't see how we  
> > > >>>> can  ignore such a visible issue. This may
> be
> > a
> > > bit heretical,  
> > > >>>> but one  option is not to release the
> > > installer. Although this  
> > > >>>> is a server  issue, you don't hit this
> > problem
> > > in normal usage  
> > > >>>> when running  from an zip/tar "install" (at
> > > least I haven't run  
> > > >>>> into any other  problems, am I missing
> > > something?).
> > > >>>> Most first-time users will choose the
> install
> > > download thinking   
> > > >>>> they're making their lives easier, when
> > > actually, they've just   
> > > >>>> made their lives more difficult. Although
> > some
> > > last-minute hard   
> > > >>>> work went into the installer, IMO, the M5
> > > installer is of  
> > > >>>> limited  value for first-time Geronimo
> users.
> > I
> > > also think that  
> > > >>>> the current  installer is actually a
> > > configuration utility in  
> > > >>>> disguise -- we  should start separating
> > > concerns...
> > > >>>> BTW, I assume that actually fixing the
> > > underlying problem means   
> > > >>>> rerunning the TCK tests? Thus the reticence
> > for
> > > fixing?
> > > >>>> --kevan
> > > >>>> On 10/5/05, *Geir Magnusson Jr.*
> > > <geirm@apache.org   
> > > >>>> <mailto:geirm@apache.org>> wrote:
> > > >>>>     On Oct 5, 2005, at 8:30 AM, Matt
> Hogstrom
> 
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