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From: David Jencks <david_jencks@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: svn commit: r280240 -
 /geronimo/trunk/modules/assembly/src/plan/j2ee-server-plan.xml
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 21:02:32 -0700
To: dev@geronimo.apache.org


On Sep 11, 2005, at 9:15 PM, Aaron Mulder wrote:

> 	I'm fine if we include mail as a separate plan.  Maybe I
> misinterpreted the commit, but it looked like it was removed entirely.  
>  On
> the other hand, if we don't have a working SMTP provider, then parhaps
> that's for the best.  I haven't yet figured out the actual status of  
> our
> mail implementation.

I haven't either, and the commit did remove the mail gbean entirely.
>
> 	Anyway, generally speaking, I don't really fancy properties for
> manageable attributes.  Particularly not for those we know will be
> interesting.  I think we should have a set of manageable attributes  
> like
> "SMTP Server", "SMTP Username", "SMTP Password", "SMTP SSL Enabled",  
> "SMTP
> Port", etc. -- the stuff you configure when you configure a mail  
> client.
> I don't like giving just a big text area and figuring the user needs to
> know what magic property names to put in there.

I'm much more ok with this if the attributes are completely standard: I  
don't know if they are.

thanks
david jencks

>
> Aaron
>
> On Sun, 11 Sep 2005, David Jencks wrote:
>> I think we should include this as an additional configuration rather
>> than as part of j2ee-server-plan.xml.  It is quite possible that users
>> will want to use Sun's javamail that they get for themselves, and we
>> should not require modifying our default plans to make that possible.
>>
>> Also, I'd like to point out again GERONIMO-1003 which makes gbean
>> attributes manageable by default.    If anyone objects to this please
>> speak up sooner rather than later.  I may have misunderstood your
>> comment, but right now the properties attribute is manageable.  I'm  
>> not
>> sure how much separating out the server name would buy us.
>>
>> thanks
>> david jencks
>>
>> On Sep 11, 2005, at 8:55 PM, Aaron Mulder wrote:
>>
>>> 	I don't get it.  Do we have a working SMTP transport?  If so,
>>> let's leave the GBean in, provide a manageable property for the  
>>> server
>>> name, and let the user configure it.  It can default to localhost,
>>> which
>>> will work on many Linux machines.  I could certainly add a property
>>> for it
>>> to the installer.
>>>
>>> Aaron
>>>
>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 jboynes@apache.org wrote:
>>>> Author: jboynes
>>>> Date: Sun Sep 11 19:38:27 2005
>>>> New Revision: 280240
>>>>
>>>> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs?rev=280240&view=rev
>>>> Log:
>>>> remove mail as there is no reasonable default for the server
>>>>
>>>> Modified:
>>>>     geronimo/trunk/modules/assembly/src/plan/j2ee-server-plan.xml
>>>>
>>>> Modified:
>>>> geronimo/trunk/modules/assembly/src/plan/j2ee-server-plan.xml
>>>> URL:
>>>> http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs/geronimo/trunk/modules/assembly/src/
>>>> plan/j2ee-server-plan.xml?rev=280240&r1=280239&r2=280240&view=diff
>>>> ==================================================================== 
>>>> ==
>>>> ========
>>>> --- geronimo/trunk/modules/assembly/src/plan/j2ee-server-plan.xml
>>>> (original)
>>>> +++ geronimo/trunk/modules/assembly/src/plan/j2ee-server-plan.xml  
>>>> Sun
>>>> Sep 11 19:38:27 2005
>>>> @@ -136,16 +136,6 @@
>>>>
>>>> <uri>geronimo/jars/geronimo-derby-${geronimo_version}.jar</uri>
>>>>      </dependency>
>>>>
>>>> -    <!-- mail -->
>>>> -    <dependency>
>>>> -
>>>> <uri>geronimo/jars/geronimo-mail-${geronimo_version}.jar</uri>
>>>> -    </dependency>
>>>> -
>>>> -    <!-- This little puppy will register a null transport for SMTP
>>>> -->
>>>> -<!--    <dependency>-->
>>>> -<!--
>>>> <uri>geronimo-spec/jars/geronimo-null-SMTP-SNAPSHOT.jar</uri>-->
>>>> -<!--    </dependency>-->
>>>> -
>>>>      <gbean name="DefaultThreadPool"
>>>> class="org.apache.geronimo.pool.ThreadPool">
>>>>          <attribute name="keepAliveTime">5000</attribute>
>>>>          <attribute name="poolSize">30</attribute>
>>>> @@ -222,13 +212,6 @@
>>>>      </gbean>
>>>>
>>>>      <gbean
>>>> gbeanName="geronimo.server: 
>>>> j2eeType=JVM,J2EEServer=geronimo,name=JVM"
>>>> class="org.apache.geronimo.j2ee.management.impl.JVMImpl"/>
>>>> -
>>>> -
>>>> -    <gbean name="mail/MailSession"
>>>> class="org.apache.geronimo.mail.MailGBean">
>>>> -        <attribute name="properties">
>>>> -            mail.smtp.host=mail.apache.com
>>>> -        </attribute>
>>>> -    </gbean>
>>>>
>>>>      <gbean name="eis/JAXR"
>>>> class="org.apache.geronimo.webservices.jaxr.JAXRGBean"/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>