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From Aaron Mulder <>
Subject Re: Portal Server and Geronimo Console
Date Wed, 21 Sep 2005 12:10:51 GMT
I don't think it makes sense to work on this before Geronimo 1.0.  I
think it would take a lot of work, and if you look at the Web Console
page on the Wiki, we have plenty to do on the console and management
strategy alone, so that's the stuff I'd like to focus on for 1.0.


On 9/21/05, Joe Bohn <> wrote:
> Yes, we definitely need to find a way to make the console more dynamic.
> There are several ways to do this on top of what we already have from
> Pluto.  However, it was my understanding that we will probably need to
> consider adding a portal server to G to host user portal applications.
> This is why I keep referencing J2 because it's the solution that first
> comes to mind.   If we're to include a portal server (J2 or otherwise)
> in G then that would both provide the more dynamic capabilities we need
> in the console as well as providing a new user capability.
> The thing that I don't yet understand is the minimal set of things that
> we think we need for a complete server solution.  If the web console is
> part of that solution then it will pull in some type of portal server in
> as well.  I supposed we could get creative with multiple portal server
> solutions ... one in G itself and a console to run on that and one that
> we include with a Console when G doesn't.   However, this seems like a
> lot of work and could be quite problematic.  One of the advantages of a
> portal server in G is that content from the G console could be
> intermixed with content from user administration tasks.
> So I think the key thing here is to decide what we think is the minimal
> configuration that we need to support.  Does it include a portal
> server?  Does it include a console?  Do we attempt to make these
> independent components so that we can bring in or remove one without the
> other?  Or do we have a requirement for the console on a portal server?
> I agree that this is something that we should look into and I'd like to
> do just that in the coming weeks.
> Joe
> Jeremy Boynes wrote:
> > John Sisson wrote:
> >
> >> I have read a few mails where it has been mentioned we need a more
> >> robust portal server for the console.
> >> Could those in the know please share a little more information on
> >> this topic so we have an idea what the issues are and what the plans
> >> are to rectify them (e.g. are we expecting the pluto project to
> >> address them in a reasonable time frame?).  Are these issues in JIRA?
> >
> >
> > The main issue is making the console dynamic so that as different
> > things get added to the server the console dynamically adjusts. This
> > is easy to do in a full portal server like Jetspeed but is not really
> > in the scope of the Pluto project (which is focused on implementing
> > the portlet container).
> >
> > This is really halfway between Pluto and Jetspeed and perhaps when we
> > look in detail at J2 it may be the perfect solution. Regardless, any
> > work we do here should be done in conjuction with the Portals project
> > as a whole.
> >
> > As for JIRA, I tend to agree with DJ that this is not concrete enough
> > just yet. It would be a good area for someone to look at :-)
> >
> > --
> > Jeremy
> >
> >
> --
> Joe Bohn
> "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep, to gain what he cannot lose."   -- Jim

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