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From Dain Sundstrom <>
Subject Re: M5 Time ;-)
Date Thu, 25 Aug 2005 16:40:17 GMT
On Aug 25, 2005, at 9:02 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:

> On Aug 25, 2005, at 1:47 AM, Dain Sundstrom wrote:
>> On Aug 24, 2005, at 9:11 PM, Jeremy Boynes wrote:
>>> David Blevins wrote:
>>>> We've shipped four non-certified Jetty distributions, let's go  
>>>> ahead  with a Tomcat distribution in the same vein.  If we need  
>>>> to go over  some J2EE licensing requirements, let's do it on the  
>>>> TCK list.
>>> When we did that we only released one binary so there was no  
>>> ambiguity in the release. If the Jetty version of M5 is certified  
>>> and the Tomcat version isn't, it will be misleading to users.
>>> -1 on any M5 binary that is not certified.
>> IIRC a release can not be vetoed except for a technical reason, so  
>> this is a -1 opinion and not a official veto.
> Sorta - we do have an issue that other projects don't have, which  
> is explicit or implicit statements about compatibility.  IOW,  
> there's a legal issue here.  But lets park this for now as we don't  
> have enough information, so we don't even know if we have a problem.
> So what do you think about the issue itself?  Do you want to see a  
> certified distro w/ Tomcat?

I have a pragmatic view on this.  I would like to there to be a  
certified Tomcat M5, but if it isn't going to happen anytime soon, I  
personally would rather ship M5 and shoot for Tomcat certification in  
M6.  Legally we can choose to ship uncertified non-GA release.  No  
matter if a release is certified or not, the Geronimo project needs  
to be crystal clear about the certification status of any binary we  

> I personally feel that having tomcat as a certified, first-class  
> citizen is important and good for us.  The only question I see is  
> what certifying w/ Tomcat does to our M5 timeline, and I don't  
> think we have enough information to decide either way at this point.

Tomcat is a first-class citizen and is important to us.  If turns out  
that we are unable to certify it in a reasonable time that would be  
unfortunate, and we would have to decide how to deal with that.

> I'm hoping Jeff (or anyone else) can run the TCK on Tomcat to see  
> where we are, and then decide from there.



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