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From "Geir Magnusson Jr." <>
Subject Re: Geronimo tooling dontation
Date Tue, 02 Aug 2005 12:23:07 GMT
Does anyone else have any comments or objections before we go down  
this path?


On Aug 1, 2005, at 5:29 PM, Sachin Patel wrote:

> Great.  I assuming no one else has any strong objections.  If not,  
> I'll be glad to start driving this.  I'm not sure about the  
> licensing issues... I'll shoot of a note to the eclipse folks.
> Thanks.
> Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>> I think it would be great to have it here.
>> Question - we would need to have it re-licensed under the Apache   
>> License v2.0.  Is that possible?
>> geir
>> On Jul 29, 2005, at 9:28 PM, Sachin Patel wrote:
>>> Hello all,
>>> It seems as if a decision needs to be made to determine the   
>>> appropiate place to host the Eclipse tooling support for  
>>> Geronimo,  in particular the Geronimo Server Adapter that is  
>>> currently in  development in the Eclipse - WTP project.
>>> As I've made enhancements to this Geronimo tooling support, I've   
>>> been forced to pull in Geronimo runtime dependencies, for access   
>>> not only to the Geronimo runtime itself but to JEE spec jars.
>>> Discussions have arose as I've been working with the Eclipse WTP   
>>> team to push these changes in.  It is their belief that if this   
>>> server adapter is pulling in third party jars then it falls  
>>> under  the category of being a full-fledged adapter that is too  
>>> large to  host and be a part of WTP.  The existing adapters for  
>>> the other  application servers that are included in WTP are  
>>> lightweight and  serve primarily as examples for basic support.   
>>> There has been some  discussion planning to provide the JMX jars  
>>> and a set of utilties  as part of WTP that other server adapters  
>>> can exploit.  However  this is not expected until WTP 1.5 in June  
>>> 06 at the earliest.   This is not good for the Geronimo  
>>> community.  We need an immediate  place to host this source so  
>>> the community can have the latest  source to start using, opening  
>>> bugs and feature requests, and  contributing to it.  As everyone  
>>> works hard toward the completion  of the Geronimo's first release  
>>> it would be great if we had a good  start for tooling support to  
>>> go along with 1.0.
>>> So the first decision we need to come to is where should this be   
>>> hosted? The first option is creating a sourceforge project and   
>>> build a secondary community around it.  The other, is to host on   
>>> Apache itself as part of the Geronimo project.  The latter I  
>>> feel  is a much better option as by simply including it as part  
>>> of the  Geronimo project itself, it provides a much stronger  
>>> integration  statement to the existing community.  So the Apache  
>>> Geronimo  project would include not only the development of  
>>> server itself but  also the tooling that goes along with it.
>>> So the proposal is that we create a seperate branch for tooling  
>>> in  subversion and host the source there.  The next step would be  
>>> to  provide the build and packaging infrastructure to go around  
>>> it and  to be able to pull down dependencies to build which  
>>> include  Eclipse, WTP, and of course the Geronimo runtime itself.
>>> Thoughts, objections, comments???
>>> Thank you,
>>> Sachin.

Geir Magnusson Jr                                  +1-203-665-6437

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