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From: "Geir Magnusson Jr." <geirm@apache.org>
Subject: Re: Website page for community members building on Geronimo or
 providing support and services around Geronimo
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 17:18:04 -0400
To: dev@geronimo.apache.org


On Jul 1, 2005, at 4:28 PM, Jeremy Boynes wrote:

> A couple of questions:
>
> * Is there any legal expose for the ASF in doing this. I would think
>   that at a minimum we would need to state that there was no  
> endorsement
>   explicit or implied for any of the things listed.

Yep. Indeed.

>
> * What, if any, validation would we do that the description was
>   accurate e.g. that XYZ Consulting actually does what is described?
>   Does that create any risk of endorsement?

In the past, I've only done it based on the outfit wishing to be  
added telling us what they want on there, and then us using our good  
sense to keep it descriptive rather than "creating marketing".  I've  
personally never had to reject though - I think that the community  
thing keeps people from getting too exuberant.

>
> * What are the policies for dealing with disputes and/or removal?
>   E.g. if ABC Co. disagrees with what XYZ said?

Again, we want to keep it simple and descriptive - if XYZ says  
"Apache Geronimo consulting and services" we'd be ok, but if they  
said "leading provider of Apache Geronimo consulting and services"  
we'd not allow that anyway (or I'd vote against it...)

For disputes, I think we leave it up to the PMC to be the final  
arbiter here...

>
> * Do we clean up entries after a period of time if the
>   project/company dies?

Sure... if the link to the company dies, then we remove it.

>
> Should we run this by legal-discuss or is it something that has  
> been clarified before with other projects?

We've done it before elsewhere for years without a problem.  I'm  
willing to give it a whirl here...

To me, the point is really to let people know what resources are  
available in the community, and thus if we keep the pointers to  
projects, products and service providers simple and factual, like a  
"white pages", we should be ok.

geir

>
> --
> Jeremy
>
>
> Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>
>> This came up in a previous thread.
>> Does anyone have a problem with a page as described above in the   
>> Subject line?  Many projects have this (e.g. http://  
>> jakarta.apache.org/velocity/powered.html) and in my experience,  
>> it's  a great help in building community, both to show people are  
>> proud to  be using the software, as well as give info for people  
>> looking to use.
>> I'd suggest that :
>> a) Categories :
>>      - Open-source projects powered by Geronimo
>>      - Commercial offerings related geronimo
>>           - products
>>           - support and services
>>           - etc
>> b) names are in alpha order to promote fairness and make things   
>> easier to find (because we all hope this list grows really,  
>> really  long... :)
>> c) We have some link either to the project, product and/or  
>> service  offering
>> I'll go forward with this assuming silent consensus as there were  
>> no  protests to the suggestion when Aaron brought it up, but would  
>> like  to see explicit support and candidates for inclusion on the  
>> list  (e.g. IBM is obvious, BEA sorta, and would like everyone  
>> that does  consulting and is willing to advertise that fact to  
>> step forward as  well :)
>> geir
>>
>
>

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