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From Jeff Genender <>
Subject Re: Disagreements regarding inclusion of Tomcat/Jetty Picker in M4 QA branch
Date Thu, 21 Jul 2005 15:25:38 GMT

Panagiotis Astithas wrote:
> Bruce Snyder wrote:
>> On 7/20/05, Jeremy Boynes <> wrote:
>>> Jeff Genender wrote:
>>>> Ok...fair enough...then how far out would M5 be (estimates)?  IMHO,
>>>> waiting for the time between M3->M4 cannot be between M4-> M5.  If

>>>> it is
>>>> going to be that long, then +1000 to get it in now.  If its a fairly
>>>> short period, then waiting will not be a big deal.
>>> Blevins was talking about release early, often. Adding this change in
>>> can only delay M4 and as we are talking M5 in just a few weeks I would
>>> say stick with the current branch and use this as an incentive to get M5
>>> out soon.
>> I'd like to hear some opinions from community members who are not
>> committers. If you are reading this message and you are not a
>> committer, PLEASE SPEAK UP! We want to hear your opinion on this
>> matter.
>> Bruce 
> In our projects we use tomcat as the web container of choice, so we'd be 
> delighted with the new tomcat/jetty picker in geronimo.

;-)  Glad to hear it.

> But, in the grand scheme of things I believe that getting a new 
> milestone is more important right now, for various reasons (broken M3, 
> TCK compliance, immense improvements all over). If M5 comes out in a 
> month or so, then I guess everyone is going to be happy, even if the 
> picker doesn't get in M4.
> In fact I would consider this an interesting goal for the project: learn 
> how to release often. I would expect a milestone to take about a week to 
> be released, after branching (for QA, TCK testing etc.). So I'd say take 
> four weeks after M4 to bring in new stuff and fix bugs and then spend 
> another week in QA, before releasing. If this schedule proves rather 
> tight, next time increase the intervals by 25% or so. Perhaps, even 
> appoint a release engineer to tag, branch, make the golden build and say 
> no to new patches :-)
> As for poor old people like myself who would like a tomcat-integrated 
> build rather sooner than later, perhaps we could beg Jeff to do an 
> unsupported build with tomcat as default just once for M4?
> Regards,
> Panagiotis

Thanks for everone's input so far.  Its appreciated.  We will wait until 
M5 for the picker ;-)

I guess we can make a "special" Tomcat downloadable binary package for 
now ;-)



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