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From Davanum Srinivas <>
Subject Re: What is a subproject anyway? (was: Trifork Code)
Date Sat, 09 Jul 2005 23:08:18 GMT
Please see below.

On 7/9/05, David Blevins <> wrote:
> Thanks!  More questions below...
> On Sat, Jul 09, 2005 at 05:42:08PM -0400, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> > - is one big happy family - means one ACL (same list of
> > committers for CVS and SVN as some projects are in SVN and some are in
> > CVS)
> > - Each entity in is a sub project. which implies each
> > one has a subset of ws committers working on it and each sub project
> > has its own life cycle including releases.
> So essentially, what you're saying with these two points is that for
> WS, subproject means (still having a hard time quite getting it)
> something like this:
>   [      committers      ]
>   [code][code][code][code]
> Rather than:
>   [committers][committers]
>   [         code         ]

Yes. breakup and manage code. 

> So, in the big picture the focus is on breaking up and managing the
> code, not breaking up and managing the people.  Is that the right way
> to think of it?
> > - Some projects were bootstrapped from inside (example scout, wss4j).
> > some came from outside (muse, pubsub).
> How do you deal with code coming from the outside?

You *could* maintain separate ACL's till the incubation is done. But
it's better to get everyone involved as soon as possible.

> > - Folks who want to work on code outside their primary project (one
> > for which they acquired committership via incubation or merit) can get
> > active on other projects if they want to.
> > - Each project can have its own list of active folks (usually on the
> > web site for each project)
> So it sounds like there is some form of people grouping.  Bunch of
> questions here, mostly overlapping (no need to answer point for
> point):
>  - How formal is that and how does one get grouped?
>  - How is someone determended to be on the ative/non-active list?
>  - How does someone "get active" on a project?
>  - Are you always considered "active" once you make the list?
>  - How does that affect voting?  Is it bad taste to vote on a project
>    on which you aren't active?

Nothing formal, its usually historical. i mean if you got in as a
committer on axis, usually you are involved mostly in that. but if you
want to work on other things, you can announce your intentions on the
mailing lists, get started with patches (and get them reviewed), get
some handle on the sub-project and the people, then once you gain
confidence add your name to the docs. we still haven't figured out how
to make someone emeritus. possible yard sticks are commits in the last
year, posts to dev/user mailing lists etc. vote is a yardstick too.
people don't usually barge in and vote, we usually have to prod people
for example, i had to prod folks working on Axis2 to vote even for
Axis 1.X releases. we are usually very relaxed about such stuff. yes,
we do want 3 +1's for a release as usual.

> Sorry for all the questions.  Still trying to get my head around all
> the different ways things are done at the ASF.
> Thanks for the patience and information.
> -David

Davanum Srinivas -

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