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From Michael McGrady <>
Subject Re: [OT] Spring and Geronimo
Date Sat, 18 Jun 2005 06:38:50 GMT
I am sure that Jeremy was just joking but I do appreciate this honest
and business like assessment.  This gives me great confidence,
actually, in Geronimo.  I will follow the guidelines suggested here.

On 6/17/05, Aaron Mulder <> wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Jun 2005, someone wrote:
> > > Is Geronimo ready for prime time, like JBoss, or is that a while off?
> >
> > <flamebait>Unlike JBoss, yes</flamebait>
>         WTF?  Look, I definitely don't want to start that kind of
> attitude.  If we're going to compete with any other app server, it has to
> be on its merits.  I think a superficial examination shows this comment to
> be total bullshit.  JBoss is certified, has actual releases, and supports
> major features that Geronimo doesn't.  Geronimo embodies some good ideas
> and some good code, but IMHO it's nowhere near competing with any app
> server.
>         I would like to be there.  I think we're making great progress.
> But really, we have a ways to go.  Let's not start with insults we're not
> prepared to back up!
>         So I'm pretty sure the comment was pure humor, but I think it's
> all to easy to take out of context, and we'd be better off leaving the
> "hot air" to others.
>         In any case, a pretty important fact was left out of this reply --
> namely that Geronimo has not yet reached a 1.0 release, and the most
> recent milestone release (7 months ago?) has some *serious* flaws.  Our
> "unstable" releases and SVN code are pretty good, and probably even "very
> good" in areas like the web container, but still lack key functionality
> and ease of use features.  I would definitely recommend that people check
> out an unstable build if they're interested, but I personally wouldn't
> recommend that anyone plan to use it for serious work yet.  But back to
> the original poster, if you look at the road map thread that's been going
> on recently, you can see some of the things we think are missing, and
> consider for yourself how important those things are to you.
> Aaron
> P.S. Let's add a page to the web site listing companies providing support
> for Geronimo.  It does add credibility, they deserve the publicity, and it
> would prevent needless plugs on the mailing list.
> > <plug>You can even get support</plug>
> >
> > > By the way, thanks for these helpful responses.  Very much
> > > appreciated.  Also, does Geronimo like JBoss incorporate a web
> > > container/server like Tomcat or does Geronimo do it all?
> > >
> >
> > There are both Jetty and Tomcat based implementation of the web
> > container service. These use other Geronimo services such as
> > transactions, security, database pooling, ...
> >
> > --
> > Jeremy
> >

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