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From "Alan D. Cabrera" <l...@toolazydogs.com>
Subject Re: Google Summer of Code
Date Wed, 22 Jun 2005 23:18:04 GMT
Could we put him in the sandbox?


Regards,
Alan

Aaron Mulder wrote, On 6/22/2005 1:37 PM:

>Jeff,
>	I'm open to the approach you recommend.  But I still believe that 
>to really teach someone about open source, they need to hold commit on 
>something, and be able to break the build and get yelled at, and so on.  
>If we want to make it clear this is a non-traditional path, we could 
>decide to automatically remove commit privileges at the end of the 
>project.  I'd prefer that we give them the experience and then take it 
>away, rather than convince them that the sole function of an open source 
>developer is to maintain their own source tree and submit patches.  I 
>guess I'm trying to cram a 1-year experience into a 2-month microcosm.  
>But I also agree that we shouldn't frame this as the standard practice for 
>interns.
>
>	Anyone else out there have an opinion?
>
>Thanks,
>	Aaron
>
>On Wed, 22 Jun 2005, Jeff Genender wrote:
>  
>
>>Aaron,
>>
>>Thanks for stepping up and accepting this.
>>
>>My only .02 on this is you have to be careful about this accellerated 
>>role, and here is why...
>>
>>In open source, there is no age limit.  In fact I believe one of the 
>>main/lead Firefox committers was in his early teens...so committership 
>>should not be offered just because someone becomes an intern.  Due to 
>>the fact we have no barrier to entry, including age, nothing prevents a 
>>person from becoming a committer on thier own merits.  Anyone can 
>>contribute and play in the sandbox.
>>
>>My point really is that we have a community that everyone deserves to 
>>enter the geronimo team by hard work, and to accellerate someone due to 
>>internship kind of breaks the rules and may cause some alienation in the 
>>community...especially those who have spent time helping out and have 
>>not been offered committership.
>>
>>I think the point of being a mentor is to help walk a person through the 
>>process and how things are done...show the open source way and hopefully 
>>have some cool code to show for it at the end of the day.  But that 
>>should be done without causing community heartburn.
>>
>>Here is an idea...
>>
>>What about an Apache "Summer of Code" ACL for SVN?  This allows the 
>>intern to not be an actual committer, but allows them to get the SVN 
>>feel on an opensource project.  It  would offer a good balance for being 
>>a mentor without causing bad feelings for those who have contributed and 
>>have not been offered committership.  What do you think?
>>
>>Jeff
>>
>>Aaron Mulder wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>All,
>>>
>>>	I volunteered to be a mentor for the Google Summer of Code, and
>>>there were a number of applications for Geronimo.  I'm hopeful that at
>>>least one of them will be accepted.
>>>
>>>	If that happens, we need to decide how to treat the student for
>>>the duration of the project (in terms of committership).  This is kind of
>>>a special case in that the program is only a little over 2 months long,
>>>which means normally we probably wouldn't have made the person a committer
>>>in that time frame.  But given that one of the goals is to teach the 
>>>person how to contribute to open source, it seems to me like we wouldn't 
>>>be doing them justice if we didn't give them commit for at least part of 
>>>the project.
>>>
>>>	I'd propose that if this goes through, we put the student on an 
>>>"accelerated plan" where we have them contribute their initial work via 
>>>patches, review and provide feedback, and then if all goes well offer them 
>>>commit within the first 2-4 weeks.  We will then need to evaluate their 
>>>situation at the end of the program (both their contributions and their 
>>>availability to work with us in the future) and decide whether to end 
>>>their commit status or not (without any prejudice if we do decide to end 
>>>it for whatever reason).
>>>
>>>	So I'd love to get everyone's feedback on whether this seems OK.  
>>>I specifically want this to be a "special case" -- I don't want to apply
>>>this to anyone else.  I understand that there are a lot of people in the
>>>community who work hard and contribute and have not been offered commit,
>>>and I don't want to offend anyone or make anyone feel underappreciated,
>>>but I do personally feel like mentoring a student to be a future open
>>>source developer under the terms of this program requires more than simply
>>>asking them to submit patches.
>>>
>>>	Let me know!
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>	Aaron
>>>      
>>>



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