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From David Jencks <>
Subject Re: Serialization vs. XML - NOT NOW PLEASE
Date Fri, 20 May 2005 19:11:59 GMT
I'm afraid I agree with Jeremy.  Sorry guys but the proposals for 
change come across to me as half-baked vague dreams that mix together 
multiple issues from widely different domains with no actual solution.  
I'm finding responding to this ----very--- time consuming and I see no 
progress yet on resolving anything.  I would appreciate everyone 
currently involved focussing the energy they are putting into this 
discussion on finishing certification  -- I believe all current 
participants have access to the tck -- and resuming the discussion with 
concrete examples of the dangers of serializaion and the utter coolness 
of untrammelled xml AFTER that long delayed milestone.

david jencks

On May 20, 2005, at 9:43 AM, Dain Sundstrom wrote:

> On May 20, 2005, at 6:55 AM, Aaron Mulder wrote:
>>     Need we use all caps for this?  It seems kind of impolite.  Also,
>> who is authorized to decide when a discussion "has gone on long 
>> enough"?
>>     Finally, I disagree.  I don't want to just drop the ball for an
>> indeterminate period of time (or at least, what seems indeterminate to
>> anyone who's not privy to the TCK testing status).  I can understand 
>> that
>> you might not want to actually change the implementation in 
>> mid-stream if
>> it's going to affect the testing process -- but surely we (especially
>> those of "we" who are not actively TCK testing) can discuss and
>> investigate some options in the mean time.  I promise to call a vote
>> before making a change that could derail the certification testing.  
>> :)
> I totally agree.
> This is an important subject and we have delayed discussions like this 
> long enough.
> -dain

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