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From Jules Gosnell <>
Subject Re: Geronimo/Spring integration - Moving forward...
Date Wed, 02 Feb 2005 11:08:17 GMT
Rob Harrop wrote:

> Jules,
> I think it is best to keep the metadata in geronimo-spring.xml, purely 
> because spring.xml has no support for modifying the XML format. You 
> want that to be a standard Spring config with no special features.
I though you might say that :-)

We will end up with an xdoclet template to generate a 
geronimo-spring.xml with metadata about classes and methods that need 
exposing and keep it in sync with the code.... - maybe this can be done 
via source-level attributes...

Does Spring not have any tag (or requirement for one - e.g. for JMX 
exporting), which, in a Geronimo context, might be overloaded to mean 
"export to Geronimo kernel" rather than just "export to JMX Agent" ? 
i.e. just "export to relevant infrastructure".

> From a Spring perspective, the two things we need are JMX-exposed 
> POJOs, which we can already do, and a JNDI-bound ApplicationContext 
> which will allow for transparent merging of shared services into an 
> application.

The more I'm learning about this stuff, the less straightforward it is 
becoming :-(

It doesn't seem enough to just expose POJOs to JMX, since Geronimo 
doesn't necessarily use it - we have to expose ourselves to the kernel 
as GBeans, which means that the Spring JMX support needs to kick out 
something which can be transformed into/look like a GBean description, 
or we need to build it from the ground up.

Re JNDI - from what David is saying, it looks like being a well-named 
GBean may be enough to get us published via JNDI. I will investigate 
this more today.

Happy hacking ;-)


> Rob
> Jules Gosnell wrote:
>> I've taken all of the points raised on board and just checked in the 
>> second cut, which splits Spring support into runtime and deploy time 
>> components.
>> I'm still having trouble getting the Builder spotted by the Deployer, 
>> but as long as I run the DebugConsole config aswell I am OK - I'll 
>> look further into it when the dust dies down.
>> If anyone wants to take another look at the code and comment (yeah - 
>> I know it's ugly at the moment) that would be gratefully received.
>> Rob, what are your thoughts on publishing POJOs to the Geronimo 
>> kernel ? Do we just blindly export all of them, can you attach 
>> metadata in the spring.xml or source, or do you think it should go in 
>> the geronimo-spring.xml.
>> Logically, I think it should go in the latter, however, 
>> pragmatically, this will lead to a maintenance nightmare as 
>> spring.xml moves on and geronimo-spring.xml fossilises, so I would 
>> rather see a single descriptor... - I guess we could do both ?
>> Anyone have any interesting thoughts ?
>> Jules

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