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From "Lynch, Peter" <Peter.Ly...@NBNZ.CO.NZ>
Subject RE: Please Vote: 1 deployment tool or 2?
Date Tue, 26 Oct 2004 03:05:05 GMT
I think this question should be addressed to the user community.  As a
(potential) user, I would have a preference for only one tool (and a gui one
at that).

Peter Lynch

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Aaron Mulder []
> Sent:	Tuesday, October 26, 2004 3:45 PM
> To:
> Subject:	Please Vote: 1 deployment tool or 2?
> 	I only got one vote on this, and it wasn't from a committer.  
> Please everyone take a look and send along your vote.
> Thanks,
> 	Aaron
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 14:46:41 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Aaron Mulder <>
> Reply-To:
> To:
> Subject: Vote: 1 deployment tool or 2?
> 	It looks like we'd like to have a command-line deployment tool
> with JSR-88 features.  This would be aimed at providing hot deploy and 
> start/stop and other JSR-88 features, as well as operating on remote 
> servers.  It could use the same logic as the Maven plugin or otherwise, 
> I'm not concerned about the implementation yet.  The question is:
>  [  ] Add these features to the existing bin/deployer.jar tool
>  [  ] Create a new bin/xyz.jar tool with only these features, so we
>       have an "offline" deployer and a "JSR-88" or "J2EE" deployer.
> 	The advantage to the unified tool is that you'd have one deployer 
> tool for any scenario.  One command to remember, etc.
> 	There are a couple advantages to having separate tools:
>  * If combined into one tool, the help would need to be rewritten to make
>    the 2 usage modes clear.  For example, JSR-88 can't handle creating a
>    CAR or executable/classPath information, while the current deployer
>    can't handle start/stop/undeploy/etc.  Also there would need to be
>    substantial syntax checking to avoid mixing parameters from different
>    modes.  It seems unfortunate that a lot of the command line arguments 
>    would clash with each other.
>  * The code for a unified tool would need to decide how to operate based
>    on the mode, and some operations (install/distribute) would need two
>    code paths for the same operation, making it harder to have clean code.
>  * The JSR-88 features of a combined tool might work against other servers
>    (given an appropriate plugin), but the other features would not, which
>    would also need to be clarified.
>  * The current deploy tool would not depend on JSR-88, making it possible
>    to have a more compact Geronimo distribution with a functional
>    deployer, granted without remote deploy or other JSR-88 features.
> 	Anyway, please vote.
> Thanks,
> 	Aaron

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