Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-geronimo-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 8195 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 03:36:25 -0000 Received: from daedalus.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (208.185.179.12) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 03:36:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 79535 invoked by uid 500); 20 Dec 2003 03:36:01 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-geronimo-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 79391 invoked by uid 500); 20 Dec 2003 03:36:00 -0000 Mailing-List: contact geronimo-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Reply-To: geronimo-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list geronimo-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 79378 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 03:36:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao01.cox.net) (68.6.19.244) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 03:36:00 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.111.79.186]) by fed1mtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031220033608.PBUL3322.fed1mtao01.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 22:36:08 -0500 Message-ID: <3FE3C3A9.50100@cox.net> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 19:36:09 -0800 From: "Preston L. Bannister" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031208 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: geronimo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Why I am opposed to retaining the name Geronimo, and whi I consider this VOTE to be biased. References: <3FE35D59.8030105@coredevelopers.net> In-Reply-To: <3FE35D59.8030105@coredevelopers.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Hiram Chirino wrote: > [snip] > The point is that you have caimed that you are not a Native American > yet you are arguing for them. How can you dare to assume you know how > a single Native american feels about the subject when you live on the > other side of the world? Better to point out that Geronimo is seen as an admirable character, and the choice to use the name is a gesture of respect. You cannot control or be certain of how others - of whatever group - will see your actions. All you can do is act with clear and honest intent. Sorry to add to an already over-long thread. Yes, there are all sorts of overtones to using this sort of name. Should we hide from history to avoid stirring old memories? Better to face our history squarely. Better to sort out what we find ugly and what we find admirable. Better to trace back and understand what lead to each, if we wish the future to be more admirable than not. My children can claim both groups in this particular history as their ancestors, and I do not believe in hiding any part of the story.