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From "Alan D. Cabrera" <>
Subject RE: [committers] can you build the website?
Date Tue, 25 Nov 2003 18:50:59 GMT
Ok.  Sorry about my comment.  I won't be able to check this in until


-----Original Message-----
From: Leo Simons [] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: [committers] can you build the website?

Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
> The amount of energy that we are expending on this is silly.  Can we
> just start a paypal account to get the infrastructure people a tape
> drive?

there's a paypal account already, and money shouldn't really need to be 
an issue here (it is something for fundraising@ to worry about IIUC). 
The things that usurps the time and energy are the usual things an IT 
team needs to think about.

Who's going to replace the tapes when full? Who is going to install the 
drive? What software is used? How is it configured? Tarballs, sure, but 
how are they going to arrive at their location? Who runs what crontabs? 
Will that compromise security? How much resources will this thing cost? 
What maintainance needs does it have? What are the uptime requirements? 
How critical is this system to our operation? How do we get all other 
projects to change their site generation policy to use the same 
mechanism? What should be the upgrade path? Who's going to volunteer to 
answer all these questions, do the maintainance, write documentation, 
convince people its a good thing?

Find answers to these questions and others, write them down, get 
consensus, get PMC support, get the proposal to infrastructure@, make 
lots of noise about it, take the time to read the 200 responses the 
wider community will inevitably generate, handle the follow-up, help do 
the work....phew!

It is always a lot of energy. Every time you send an e-mail message to a

public mailing list, chances are 100s of people will spend some time 
reading it. That's a lot of energy.

I'm not saying the current situation is perfect, I'm not saying the 
workflow is perfect, I'm not saying I have the slightest clue about how 
to install a tape drive...what I'm trying to offer is some perspective.


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