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From "Sonnek, Ryan" <>
Subject RE: new console-swing team
Date Fri, 21 Nov 2003 18:32:47 GMT
I think that an IDE plugin is a MUST.  Coming from a corporate development
where running "separate" applications is basically frowned upon, it is very
important to me that geronimo be compatable with an IDE.  The jboss IDE is a
terrific example of this.  It provides basic functionality, and allows
beginning developers to lauch their app server without running another
console to monitor the server logs.

Again, I would like to tackle what functionality is applicable to all of
these clients (start/stop/restart, view server logs, etc), and what
functionality is specific to each client.


-----Original Message-----
From: Mariano Kamp [] 
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: new console-swing team

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  what about an eclipse-plugin? I am currently working on doing a JSR-77 
client for eclipse (will post something on Sunday). I personally favor to 
have the console integrated in the ide. I do understand though, that eclipse

is not everybodys choice.


On Friday 21 November 2003 19:11, Matthew David Kurjanowicz wrote:
> Oh oh, pick me! pick me! :)  I really think that this is a good idea, 
> and a good alternative (for me developing) to the twiddle comand 
> client. There are a few things there that I've been trying to figure 
> out there that just aren't working dealing with the twiddle cli - such 
> as keeping track of state, etc.  Besides, I have more experience 
> developing swing UI's then CLI interfaces.
> I'm willing to lead work on a swing console, and hopefully will be 
> able to extend James' code.  I started looking at it last night and it 
> looks doable.
> Hoeffenlich geht es gut. (And that's the extent of my memory of HS 
> Deutsch
> :) ).
> -Matt K.
> > Cool, James.  That's great news.  MVC is perfect for thick-client 
> > UIs, too : ) Now everyone who wants to scratch that itch can do so 
> > (ich habe es genug für mich gekratzt).
> >
> > It sounds like Matt and Ryan are already thinking a lot about this 
> > stuff.  Does one (or both) of them want to lead the effort on 
> > developing the swing UI?  (I'm sure James will if they won't, and 
> > will help them if they run across any issues).  There are probably 
> > dozens of people on the list who want to help with the Swing UI, who 
> > have a lot of experience with UI design or who know JMX like the 
> > back of their hand.  If not, this is a perfect chance for newcomers 
> > to get involved (other than writing unit tests) and learn some new 
> > skills.
> >
> > Matt and Ryan are both very competent developers and show a lot of 
> > initiative for pushing in this direction : )  If it sounded before 
> > like I was suggesting that the Geronimo project shouldn't have a 
> > swing UI, I apologize--you guys should know that wasn't what I was 
> > trying to say (and even if I were, I don't make decisions around 
> > here ; )  I never want to close the door on new ideas or new, useful 
> > components to plug in.  I think that stuff is great.  I was just 
> > trying to convey that I personally specialize in thin client servlet 
> > approaches and will stick with them because it's where I operate 
> > most efficiently and can make the best use of my time.  I'd probably 
> > be more of a hindrance than a benefit to skilled a thick-client UI 
> > team.
> >
> > Again, thanks for the help and the great work, James. Best luck to 
> > Matt & Ryan on driving the swing effort if they choose to do so.  If 
> > they have specific ideas down the line of ways they could reuse 
> > pieces of my code and want me to help abstract out bits for their 
> > use, I will do whatever I can to help them. -- N.
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