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From "Sonnek, Ryan" <>
Subject RE: console design
Date Fri, 21 Nov 2003 03:47:46 GMT
I'm not even sure that the client app is needed (thus this thread), but I DO
think that it is important IF one is used, that they are functionally and
visually similar.  As more and more things go into the web console, it
doesn't make sense for the thick client to "rewrite" to stay current or vice
versa.  I understand that JMX does not require the added abstraction, but
for an enterprise system to have two separate views of the same information
and same operation, it does NOT make sense to duplicate the coding effort.
HTML or Swing or SWT or Twiddle should just be a view overtop of the same
engine.  I do not know if this kind of thing is even possible (same logic
with different presentation layers), but I would like to see the duplicate
effort minimized at best.


-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Kurjanowicz [] 
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: console design

I think a while ago we decided that we weren't going to use some sort of
middle-api because the JMX and J2EE Mgmt api's were simple enough to use
(See the wiki about this).  I think that making them functionally equivilent
is up to the writer of the console.

-Matt K
mkurjano at
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sonnek, Ryan" <>
To: <>
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 9:12 PM
Subject: console design

> looking at the current implementation of the JMX console, brings some
> questions to mind.  are there any plan to have an applet/webstart
> application to interact with geronimo?  if so, i would like to start on
> integrating the current console and abstracting it for web or client use.
> think it would be a good idea to keep them functionally equal, and as
> similar in use and design as possible.  i'm a big fan of webstart, but is
> client app neccesary?  real time stats (server load, statistics, etc) are
> best viewed with a thick client IMO.
> congrats go out to everyone that has worked so hard this week!  it's
> what you guys have accomplished!
> Ryan

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