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From "Sonnek, Ryan" <>
Subject RE: Fw: console-web
Date Mon, 03 Nov 2003 17:07:57 GMT
Just trying to help out where I think I can.  I'm new to geronimo, and to
try and understand what the hell is going on, I thought starting small would
be good.  UI does not impact the underlying system, but it DOES provide a
great chance to learn what is going on under the covers.

Removing html from the jsp custom tags is just one of my pet peeves.  It
completely restricts someone that does not the system what is going on from
making improvements.  I hate to see any application ignore the role of the
"designer" (which I am not claiming to be!  I know about as much "layout" as
a blind monkey)  

But all I'm really trying to do is find a way to understand what's going on
and help out where I can.  I see this as a great learning experience for me
to be exposed to JMX and hopefully I can branch out from there and help
other places.  If anyone has ideas on an area that could use work, like
testcases, or someplace that would be a good introduction, I could start out
there.  Looking through the testsuite didn't work for my local build, since
all the clover reports were showing 0% coverage (anyone else see this?).
J2EE has a high learning curve and building a J2EE app server requires a lot
of understanding.  

I am just looking for a way into this project, and would be glad to look in
another area.


-----Original Message-----
From: Dain Sundstrom [] 
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 7:54 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: console-web

I'm guessing because right now we need basic features like operation 
invocation.  Once we get some basic features we can look at 
re-architecting the system, but now it is early.  Anyway, to me most of 
the suggestions look like differences in web design philosophy.


On Monday, November 3, 2003, at 06:13 AM, James Strachan wrote:

> FWIW Ryan's points all seem pretty valid to me; I don't see why you're 
> recommending he goes off to SF or that his ideas are over-engineered.
> On Saturday, November 1, 2003, at 06:22  am, n. alex rupp wrote:
>> Ryan,
>> Let's please keep discussions about this on the list : )
>> I think your ideas below are overengineered, but you sound like 
>> you've given
>> it a lot of thought and perhaps the ideas have merit, but they'll 
>> best be
>> judged when they're backed up with some code.  You might start a 
>> project at
>> and build this sucker from the ground up (doesn't seem that 
>> you'll
>> need to reuse any of the pieces we've got), and when you get it 
>> working, we
>> can take a look at it and either use it to replace what we've got, or 
>> merge
>> the two together, using the best parts of each.  Get the web 
>> application
>> working, and we'll go from there.
>> I'm working on adding simple functionality like method invocation.  
>> Perhaps
>> we can join our stuff together somewhere down the line.  You might 
>> also look
>> into other projects which are building generic libraries for working 
>> with
>> JMX.  I think Simone Bordet knows of a good one (but I can't remember 
>> it for
>> the life of me)
>> Good luck and welcome : )
>> --
>> N. Alex Rupp
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ryan Sonnek" <>
>> To: <>
>> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 11:44 PM
>> Subject: Re: console-web
>>> ok, here are my ideas.  please let me know if they go against any 
>>> design
>> you
>>> had in mind.
>>> 1.  remove html from JSP custom tags.
>>> 2.  use JSTL in jsp tags to output lists of JMX services
>>> 4.  use xdoclet to generate web.xml and taglib.tld.
>>> 3.  refactor majority of code into reusable JMX client for use with 
>>> other
>>> "consoles".  i think this might work best to add a new module, so 
>>> that the
>>> console-web module has a dependency on the new module.  this would 
>>> allow
>> for
>>> the taglib.tld to be picked up automatically without having to 
>>> specify it
>> in
>>> the web.xml
>>> i think that was pretty much it.  i have not done any development for
>>> geronimo, but have gone through the wiki extensively.  what would be 
>>> the
>>> best way to go about this?  do the development, create a patch, and 
>>> submit
>>> it to JIRA?
>>> if i have questions, should i email you directly, or would the dev 
>>> list or
>>> wiki be a better communication spot?  Oh, and i wanted to let you 
>>> know
>> that
>>> it's great to see other minnesota based J2EE developers!  i'm from 
>>> mankato
>>> myself, and down here, J2EE is still in it's infancy.
>>> Ryan Sonnek
>>> ------------
>>> "God is the Lord of angels, of men - and of elves."
>>> - J.R.R. Tolkien
>>>> From: "n. alex rupp" <>
>>>> To: "ryan sonnek" <>
>>>> Subject: Re: console-web
>>>> Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 17:42:10 -0600
>>>> Ryan,
>>>> Go ahead and post your ideas : )
>>>> --
>>>> N. Alex Rupp
> James
> -------

  * Dain Sundstrom
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