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From Charlton Barreto <charlto...@gmx.ch>
Subject Re: FYI, Specs from BEA + IBM
Date Wed, 26 Nov 2003 18:28:04 GMT
no worries - so many specs and so little time.... :-) i'm glad to 
help....

On Nov 26, 2003, at 08:44, James Strachan wrote:

> Thanks for that Charlton.  I guess you've spotted that I've never 
> gotten around to reading the JCA spec yet :). Damn I'm found out - I 
> was doing so well bluffing away, talking out of my ass... :)
>
>
> On 26 Nov 2003, at 15:48, Charlton Barreto wrote:
>
>> In fact, the Work Manager indeed has been standardized - in JSR-112 
>> (Connectors 1.5). In addition, the enhanced Timer mechanism they are 
>> proposing is being standardized in J2SE 1.5. Service Data Objects are 
>> nice, but then we already have well-documented patterns for this 
>> (e.g.  Data Access Objects) and tools that facilitate them.
>>
>> It appears BEA and IBM weren't happy with what was produced in 
>> JSR-112 or J2SE 1.4 even though they had expert group representatives 
>> the entire time (during the two years the specs were being developed 
>> - i.e. they had plenty of time and resources to explore the 
>> implications and express their thoughts early on) and are off 
>> developing a parallel effort to suit their respective needs and 
>> architectures. From what I know of their architectures, it won't be 
>> exactly easy for them to implement JSR-112 work management or use 
>> J2SE 1.4 timers, although it wasn't difficult at all for JBoss or 
>> anyone else and I can't imagine it being particularly difficult for 
>> Geronimo.
>>
>> I'd definitely watch this space in the future to see what BEA and IBM 
>> come up with, esp. in the Work Manager and Timer spaces. My feel is 
>> that they are proposing this not so much for the end of producing 
>> actual specs, but to voice their protest at not being able to get 
>> what they wanted in Connectors 1.5 or J2SE 1.4. I wouldn't be too 
>> certain that these parallel specs would be considered for J2EE.
>>
>> James Strachan wrote:
>>
>>> FWIW I like the look of IBM's WorkManager beans and timers for 
>>> asynchronous processing of stuff. There was some interesting stuff 
>>> about it on this blog...
>>>
>>> http://www.devwebsphere.com/devwebsphere/
>>>
>>> I was just thinking the other day how its a shame this stuff isn't a 
>>> J2EE standard. This stuff might also help us do async deployment 
>>> stuff etc?
>>>
>>>
>>> On 25 Nov 2003, at 22:10, Aaron Mulder wrote:
>>>
>>>>     Apaprently BEA and IBM have pulled together some extensions for
>>>> J2EE app servers which they intend to implement and propose as JSRs.
>>>> Probably worth keeping in the back of our mind.
>>>>
>>>> http://news.com.com/2100-7345-5111567.html?tag=nl
>>>>
>>>>     Particularly:
>>>>
>>>> "The three technical specifications are these: Service Data 
>>>> Objects, which
>>>> provides a common way to pull data from multiple data sources, such 
>>>> as
>>>> Extensible Markup Language-based file systems and relational 
>>>> databases;
>>>> Timer for Application Servers, a mechanism for scheduling 
>>>> processing jobs;
>>>> and Work Manager for Application Servers, for setting up processing 
>>>> tasks
>>>> in parallel."
>>>>
>>>> Aaron
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> James
>>> -------
>>> http://radio.weblogs.com/0112098/
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
> James
> -------
> http://radio.weblogs.com/0112098/
>


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