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From David Jencks <>
Subject Re: New Goal -- Milestone Release
Date Sat, 22 Nov 2003 20:12:59 GMT

On Saturday, November 22, 2003, at 11:48 AM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:

> Jeremy Boynes wrote:
>> Noel J. Bergman wrote:
>>> David Jencks wrote:
>>>> Noel J. Bergman wrote:
>>>>> Incubation_Policy.html#Releases
>>>> Looking at the second document (which appears to be more official  
>>>> than
>>>> the first) reveals two uses of "(Reference to Charter)".  After some
>>>> study I can't resolve these references nor figure out what the  
>>>> proper
>>>> procedure to follow is.  Any enlightenment would be appreciated.
>>> Not something that you need to worry about, although the PMC does.   
>>> Those
>>> are references to the Incubator project's charter.
>> I disagree with this sentiment at such a fundamental level. Everyone
>> actively involved with the project needs to understand the processes
>> that surround it.
>> Patting David on the head and telling him not to worry is the type of
>> condescension we have come to expect from the PMC and is the most
>> likely thing out there to lead to the demise of this project.
> I did not pat David on the head, or condescend to him.  I simply  
> pointed out
> that there are some clarity issues related to the PMC's own documents  
> that
> it needs to resolve.  He found some dangling references that the PMC  
> needs
> to tie down.

Thanks for clarifying this.  It was not clear to me from your first  
response that you agreed with me that the references should be  
resolved: I thought you might mean I should not concern myself with   
the details of the process.
> Let me point out that I'm one of the folks talking about re-organizing
> things to more closely align Geronimo's committers with its project
> management.  I want to see closer ties, not looser.

Personally, I think this would be a good idea.    I'm also a little  
concerned about the profligate anthropomorphizing of "Podling" in the  
document: Podlings are often said to wish or decide things, without  
much discussion of how the actual people working on the project might  
do this.  If there were a "practice PMC" for each Podling and it could  
vote to decide things I'd find the process more clear.

many thanks,
david jencks
> 	--- Noel

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