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From "Matt Kurjanowicz" <>
Subject Re: console design
Date Fri, 21 Nov 2003 04:03:50 GMT
I would like to bring this discussion back to life
Alex: now that you are planning on making the web-console a lot more
modulated, is there any way we could modulate the logic in the console?  To
bring out more of the MVC model?
-Matt K
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sonnek, Ryan" <>
To: <>
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 11:00 PM
Subject: RE: console design

> I guess the way I think of it right now is to compare it to Jboss:
> Web console,
> Applet console,
> Eclipse plugin (a personal favorite of mine).
> Maybe these are too functionally different to be considered for developing
> "reusable architecture", but I would just like to bring it to the table
> discussion now to have an idea of goals/ambitions.
> Ryan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sonnek, Ryan []
> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 9:48 PM
> To: ''
> Subject: RE: console design
> I'm not even sure that the client app is needed (thus this thread), but I
> think that it is important IF one is used, that they are functionally and
> visually similar.  As more and more things go into the web console, it
> doesn't make sense for the thick client to "rewrite" to stay current or
> versa.  I understand that JMX does not require the added abstraction, but
> for an enterprise system to have two separate views of the same
> and same operation, it does NOT make sense to duplicate the coding effort.
> HTML or Swing or SWT or Twiddle should just be a view overtop of the same
> engine.  I do not know if this kind of thing is even possible (same logic
> with different presentation layers), but I would like to see the duplicate
> effort minimized at best.
> Ryan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matt Kurjanowicz []
> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 8:16 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: console design
> I think a while ago we decided that we weren't going to use some sort of
> middle-api because the JMX and J2EE Mgmt api's were simple enough to use
> (See the wiki about this).  I think that making them functionally
> is up to the writer of the console.
> -Matt K
> mkurjano at
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Sonnek, Ryan" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 9:12 PM
> Subject: console design
> > looking at the current implementation of the JMX console, brings some
> > questions to mind.  are there any plan to have an applet/webstart
> > application to interact with geronimo?  if so, i would like to start on
> > integrating the current console and abstracting it for web or client
> i
> > think it would be a good idea to keep them functionally equal, and as
> > similar in use and design as possible.  i'm a big fan of webstart, but
> a
> > client app neccesary?  real time stats (server load, statistics, etc)
> > best viewed with a thick client IMO.
> >
> > congrats go out to everyone that has worked so hard this week!  it's
> amazing
> > what you guys have accomplished!
> >
> > Ryan
> >

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