Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-geronimo-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 90188 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2003 23:15:53 -0000 Received: from daedalus.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (208.185.179.12) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 6 Oct 2003 23:15:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 17685 invoked by uid 500); 6 Oct 2003 23:15:31 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-geronimo-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 17640 invoked by uid 500); 6 Oct 2003 23:15:30 -0000 Mailing-List: contact geronimo-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Reply-To: geronimo-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list geronimo-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 17627 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2003 23:15:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hyperreal.org) (209.237.226.90) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 6 Oct 2003 23:15:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 42408 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2003 23:15:41 -0000 Received: from localhost.hyperreal.org (HELO fez.hyperreal.org) (127.0.0.1) by localhost.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 6 Oct 2003 23:15:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 45318 invoked by uid 1000); 6 Oct 2003 23:15:36 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 6 Oct 2003 23:15:36 -0000 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 16:15:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Behlendorf X-X-Sender: brian@fez.hyperreal.org To: Miroslav Halas cc: Jean-Bernard Stefani , gstein@collab.net, Jean-Pierre.Laisne@bull.net, architecture@objectweb.org, geronimo-dev@incubator.apache.org, jonas@objectweb.org Subject: Re: [ObjectWeb architecture] Re: licenses for ObjectWeb components & Apache/OW collaboration In-Reply-To: <3F81DB77.2050504@bastafidli.com> Message-ID: <20031006160312.V43932@fez.hyperreal.org> References: <20031006135030.L43932@fez.hyperreal.org> <3F81DB77.2050504@bastafidli.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: localhost.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N On Mon, 6 Oct 2003, Miroslav Halas wrote: > Brian and Jean-Bernard, > > maybe this is a silly question, but somewhere > (http://incubator.apache.org/projects/geronimo-proposal.html) I have > read that one of the main purposes behind starting Geronimo project was > absence of ASF (or BSD like) licensed J2EE server. If Objectweb is > willing to change license on some of its components, maybe it would be > possible to change the license of Jonas as well. > > Question: Would that be possible / feasible at all ? I can't speak for ObjectWeb on licensing all of JOnAS under the BSD. I can say that even if they were to do so, there might still be good reason to have an more than one BSD-licensed Sun-certified J2EE server. "Duplication of effort" should be avoided of course, but even when writing standards-conformant software, there can be genuinely different approaches with different tradeoffs - speed vs. code complexity, for example, or small runtime memory size versus everything else. Furthermore, if two teams are separately trying to solve the same problem, your odds of finding the right answer are greater than if you just had one team of similar size, and both teams can probably enjoy the fruits of the winning team's efforts. One thing I've suggested to a couple of others is the idea of an "open source J2EE implementors' forum", a mailing list hosted some place "neutral" (Jean-Pierre suggested java.net, that makes sense to me) which would be a place where developers from Geronimo, JOnAS, heck even JBoss could discuss topics germane to any open source J2EE, from certification to further code sharing to... who knows. Brian