Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-geronimo-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 79337 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2003 00:30:57 -0000 Received: from daedalus.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (208.185.179.12) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 17 Sep 2003 00:30:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 57124 invoked by uid 500); 17 Sep 2003 00:30:35 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-geronimo-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 56882 invoked by uid 500); 17 Sep 2003 00:30:33 -0000 Mailing-List: contact geronimo-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Reply-To: geronimo-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list geronimo-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 56857 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2003 00:30:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO isabella) (212.198.17.4) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 17 Sep 2003 00:30:31 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by isabella (JAMES SMTP Server 3.0a1) with SMTP ID 669 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 02:32:20 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3F67AB94.9010300@apache.org> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 02:32:20 +0200 From: Stephen McConnell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; WinNT4.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: geronimo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [vote] Aaron Mulder as committer References: <3E5BEBF0-E87D-11D7-AC1A-000393B3C494@clove.org> In-Reply-To: <3E5BEBF0-E87D-11D7-AC1A-000393B3C494@clove.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Aaron Bannert wrote: > > On Tuesday, September 16, 2003, at 08:52 AM, Stephen McConnell wrote: > >> As soon as you let a PMC make decisions behind closed doors - then >> your asking for trouble. A PMC is there to handle either (a) dull, >> boring, mindless administrata, or (b) nasty stuff that you really >> don't want to know about. Anything in between should be for the >> community to decide and if that causes some flack - so be it. > > > Again, this is incorrect and very misleading. :-) Aaron - it's only my opinion. While you may think it is wrong relative to you interpritation of the roles and responsibilities of a PMC, the comments are not incorrect - they are simply an opinion. As to misleading - that comes down to your objective. If your objective is community engineering within an open source project then yes, my observations would clearly be misleading as thay imply problems related to a club mentality which would naturally be counter-productive. On the otherhand, if your aiming for a structure within which decisions are transparent and function is oriented to facilitating[1] and representing[2] a community[3] - then perhaps you could consider the same observations as engaging, embrassing, even ... enabling[4]. Cheers, Steve. [1] http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=facilitating [2] http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=representing [3] http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=community [4] http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=enabling -- Stephen J. McConnell mailto:mcconnell@apache.org