From geronimo-dev-return-3034-apmail-incubator-geronimo-dev-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Thu Sep 04 01:08:49 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-geronimo-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 954 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2003 01:08:49 -0000 Received: from daedalus.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (208.185.179.12) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 4 Sep 2003 01:08:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 8445 invoked by uid 500); 4 Sep 2003 01:08:06 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-geronimo-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 8395 invoked by uid 500); 4 Sep 2003 01:08:05 -0000 Mailing-List: contact geronimo-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Reply-To: geronimo-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list geronimo-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 8288 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2003 01:08:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net) (194.217.242.88) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 4 Sep 2003 01:08:04 -0000 Received: from twistedbanana.demon.co.uk ([80.177.19.75]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19uibX-000Egt-0U for geronimo-dev@incubator.apache.org; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 02:08:07 +0100 Message-ID: <3F569012.6080704@twistedbanana.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 02:06:26 +0100 From: Mark Mahieu User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030612 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: geronimo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Closing items 49-56,58-65 as duplicate -- PLEASE READ References: <000001c37174$b54dddb0$0acca8c0@bob> <20030902230335.Q66582@fez.hyperreal.org> <20030903165831.A29419@sweetums.ce1.client2.attbi.com> In-Reply-To: <20030903165831.A29419@sweetums.ce1.client2.attbi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N >I agree totally, but I don't think bug tracking is the real issue here. > > Indeed. >There have been a few very critical emails on this incident. I have compiled a list of the changes so that everyone may understand why they were grouped. Please note the times. > > > >16 total in a span of 5 hours, all to packages only Alex is working on. > In almost every company I've worked for professionally in the last few years, it has been pretty much *policy* to track issues individually exactly as Alex originally did, regardless of whether anyone else is working on that particular area of the system. Whether or not it's actually *necessary* or even 'more work' for someone in each case is usually irrelevant; what matters is good general practise. I'd be interested to know exactly which emails you consider to be critical by the way... >I am very happy to review changes and assist contributors, but I do not encourage people to send a steady stream of patches all day long because they are upset they don't have cvs privileges and are trying to make a point. > >-David > > David, I'm really having trouble understanding what you mean by that. Now I'm sure there must be more to it, and I doubt (hope) you didn't mean it to come across this way but it seems you've pretty much just publicly characterised one of your most enthusiastic contributors as a petulant brat simply because he used the bug-tracking system in a way that didn't suit you. If there have been guidelines prominently set out about what is or is not acceptable practise then I apologise. I can't see them anywhere though, so I have to wonder whether I may fall foul of the same kind of 'mistake' that Alex apparently just has if I start contributing code. Regardless, this all seems to have been blown way out of proportion. Personally, my feeling is that if the committers want contributors to be useful to the project then they should at the very least publish guidelines on how they wish JIRA etc to be used. Then gently point people at those guidelines the first time you deem them to have offended. As some of the committers love to tell people, this project has a WIKI. It even has a FAQ for developers! I really hope I've got the wrong end of the stick here, but as one of the many people on the 'outside' of this project looking in and wondering whether to get actively involved, the public mailing lists aren't presenting the most attractive image. Regards, Mark