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From: "Vikram Goyal" <tech@craftbits.com>
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Subject: Re: J2EE deployment verifier
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 23:51:56 +1000
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Are the minimum versions of the specifications specified anywhere as yet?

Vikram

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Opacki" <chris_opacki@yahoo.com>
To: <geronimo-dev@incubator.apache.org>
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 11:46 PM
Subject: RE: J2EE deployment verifier


Yes.

--- Srihari S <sriharis@blr.pin.philips.com> wrote:
> just a clarification..i hope ur referring to j2ee
> 1.4 spec
> lets have a common understanding on this...u cud
> specify the correct version
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Opacki [mailto:chris_opacki@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 7:02 PM
> To: geronimo-dev@incubator.apache.org;
> weston_p@yahoo.com
> Subject: RE: J2EE deployment verifier
> 
> 
> The specs also provides a basic SPI API. It also
> provides a high level architecture describe the
> relations between deployable components and objects
> in
> the deploymeny tool and manager. It's an interesting
> read.
> 
> --- Srihari S <sriharis@blr.pin.philips.com> wrote:
> > never mind ur choice of words....if we end up
> using
> > the rule engine concept
> > it will because of u:)
> > So at a very hi level we can look at the verifier
> as
> >
> > Input Process Output
> >
> > JAR Verify the correctness OK/NOK with error
> log
> > WAR by parsing the DD
> > EAR and applying correctness
> > RAR rules
> >
> >
> > While it is true that the verifier can be a
> > standalone app and we must
> > design its internals in this spirit
> > it may also be worthwhile to decide early on how
> it
> > will get into the
> > geronimo frwk
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Weston M. Price [mailto:weston_p@yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 2:04 PM
> > To: geronimo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: J2EE deployment verifier
> >
> >
> > As a modular component I think this J2EE verifier
> > engine/processor would be
> > very useful in a number of projects; it could even
> > be a standalone module
> > that would allow a developer to validate their
> > archive before ever even
> > trying to deploy it in a target environment. Of
> > course, you wouldn't be able
> > to see those 100+ line stack traces roll across
> your
> > tty when you go to
> > deploy your archive; that would be the one
> > drawback....
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Weston
> >
> > On Monday 11 August 2003 08:26 am, Weston M. Price
> > wrote:
> > > Yeah, I knew that term was going to come back at
> > me, poor choice of words
> > > on my part. I was basically thinking in terms of
> > "rules" as conditions
> > that
> > > need to be satisfied to fulfill a deployment;
> not
> > in terms of a full blown
> > > rules engine (though this would be somewhat
> > interesting). At the very core
> > > what you really have is a set of conditions that
> > when applied to a
> > > deployable unit (EAR, WAR, SAR etc) must be met
> > for the archive to be
> > > deployed. A verifier exists as sort of a
> watchdog
> > that prevents archives
> > > from violating a discreet set of constraints.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Weston
> > >
> > > On Monday 11 August 2003 12:36 pm, Srihari S
> > wrote:
> > > > i did not have this rule engine picture when i
> > started thinking abt this
> > > > verifier..
> > > > ru looking at the design of some open src rule
> > engines for designing
> > this
> > > > verifier?
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Weston M. Price
> > [mailto:weston_p@yahoo.com]
> > > > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 12:12 PM
> > > > To: Srihari S;
> geronimo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> > > > Subject: Re: J2EE deployment verifier
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It's an interesting subject for a few reasons:
> > > > What we are really talking about is a type of
> > rules engine where
> > certain
> > > > conditions have to be met to achieve a
> > successful "deployment". The most
> > > > intriguing aspect, at least to me, would be to
> > make this module
> > > > extensible and "forward looking" because we
> all
> > know that specifications
> > > > are static and never change right? :-) As
> > Geronimo grows with J2EE (and
> > > > all its associated specifications) the engine
> > would similarly have to
> > > > grow as well and accommodate the new
> standards.
> > This could make for some
> > > > interesting design and implementation
> decisions.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Weston
> > > >
> > > > Of course we all know that specification
> > requirements never change right
> > > >
> > > > On Monday 11 August 2003 10:54 am, Srihari S
> > wrote:
> > > > > I agree with you Weston..this is a good
> > staarting point to gain
> > > >
> > > > familiarity
> > > >
> > > > > with the specs
> > > > > Count me in too.:))
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Weston M. Price
> > [mailto:weston_p@yahoo.com]
> > > > > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 12:01 PM
> > > > > To: geronimo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> > > > > Subject: Re: J2EE deployment verifier
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I think this would actually be quite
> > interesting to work on. Man, if
> > > > > there is
> > > > > a way to become familiar with the J2EE
> > specs....this is it!
> > > > >
> > > > > If you wanted someone to work with on this I
> > would be happy to help.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Weston
> > > > >
> > > > > On Monday 11 August 2003 05:03 am, Denes
> > wrote:
> > > > > > Hi Folks,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm intending to begin writing something
> for
> > the deployment
> > verifier,
> > > > > > both to learn more about the specs and
> > (hopefully) help with the
> > > > > > project.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Some questions:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1. Is there anybody working on this issue?
> > > > > > 2. Will this be based on openEJB's
> > deployment verifier?
> > > > > > 3. Something that I never understood. As I
> > don't have commit
> > > > > > permission on cvs, to whom I should send
> > patches/codes that I
> > create?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > Denes
> >
> 
> 
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