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From "Jeremy Boynes" <>
Subject RE: [twiddle] Twiddle is now booting Geronimo
Date Sun, 24 Aug 2003 21:16:13 GMT
Normally I try to be positive, but I am having a very hard time with this

You have now made the core dependent on twiddle, which in turn is dependent
on a load of other things like commons-cli, forehead, classworlds, castor,
dunno what else. Do we really need to add all this?

What about all the other ways to start the server e.g. raw embedding, a
WinNT service, ??? Even a basic Windows bat script would be useful.

What about IDE support as well - I used to be able to just run the server
directly by invoking Main, but I don't seem to have that option any more.
What do I need to do to get this back again?

And where was the advance notice? I couldn't see any discussion on the list
and this wasn't exactly a zero-impact change.

All in all I think this was a bad move and would ask you to back some of the
more intrusive bits out - at least remove core's dependency on twiddle.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jason Dillon []
> Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 10:56 AM
> To:
> Subject: [twiddle] Twiddle is now booting Geronimo
> I finished my initial checkin to allow a Twiddle command to start
> Geronimo.
> To start Geronimo, after building you can:
> cd target
> ./geronimo-DEV/bin/start
> or
> cd target
> ./geronimo-DEV/bin/twiddle geronimo/start
> Right now you need to be in the target directory.  I will resolve this
> soon, but for now dat is how it be ;-)
> Help (via ./geronimo-DEV/bin/start --help) looks like:
> usage: geronimo/start [options]
> Options:
>    -d,--deploy <arg>    Deploy URL
>    -h,--help            Display this help message
>    -m,--mlet <arg>      MLet URL
> So you can change the config urls.  It does spit out a lot of debug
> too, which I will get around to fixing, though some of that is
> dependent on getting the Commons Logging package to properly handle
> trace for Log4j (patch pending... right James?).
> Unfortunately Commons CLI does not order options, so the options are a
> bit scrambled... need to see about fixing this.
> Removed the CLI bits from Main, as StartCommand handles these details
> now.  The top-level run goal should still work as I changed it to
> behave like the twiddle script.
> Twiddle boots with Werken Forehead to make the initial setup of
> classpath nice and simple for me.  You can control Forehead via
> etc/forehead.conf
>   * * *
> I still need to create windows scripts (ick).
> Also we need to start thinking a little about the release structure.  I
> am currently thinking of a structure similar to... well you know...
> something like this:
> geronimo-<release>/
>      README.txt
>      LICENSE.txt
>      VERSION.txt
>      docs/
>          <html docs>
>      bin/
>          <scripts>
>      lib/
>          <boot-libraries>
>      etc/
>          forehead.conf
>          twiddle.conf
>          twiddle/
>              geronimo.conf
>              <twiddle-command-configs>
>      config/
>          global/
>              lib/
>                  <libs global to all configs>
>              resources/
>                  <resources files global to all configs>
>              deploy/
>                  <deployments global to all configs>
>          <config-name>/
>              lib/
>                  <libraries>
>              resources/
>                  < resources files>
>              deploy/
>                  <deployment files>
>              tmp/
>                  <temporary files>
>              data/
>                  <non-transient data/state files>
>              log/
>                  <log files>
> I am wondering if anyone else has any ideas.
> --jason

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