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From "Srihari S" <sriha...@blr.pin.philips.com>
Subject RE: J2EE deployment verifier
Date Mon, 11 Aug 2003 14:28:59 GMT
True
Our module is just going to check and declare whether or not a given unit of
deployment
is deployable on a j2ee server or not.

Nothing more..nothing less.
Building this unit will be our mission..right weston??

-----Original Message-----
From: Weston M. Price [mailto:weston_p@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 3:05 PM
To: geronimo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: J2EE deployment verifier


And even further, let's clarify the verification is a completely different
animal than actual deployment. Am I correct on this one at least in terms of
the way we are thinking about this module?

Weston

On Monday 11 August 2003 01:50 pm, Srihari S wrote:
> just a clarification..i hope ur referring to j2ee 1.4 spec
> lets have a common understanding on this...u cud specify the correct
> version
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Opacki [mailto:chris_opacki@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 7:02 PM
> To: geronimo-dev@incubator.apache.org; weston_p@yahoo.com
> Subject: RE: J2EE deployment verifier
>
>
> The specs also provides a basic SPI API. It also
> provides a high level architecture describe the
> relations between deployable components and objects in
> the deploymeny tool and manager. It's an interesting
> read.
>
> --- Srihari S <sriharis@blr.pin.philips.com> wrote:
> > never mind ur choice of words....if we end up using
> > the rule engine concept
> > it will because of u:)
> > So at a very hi level we can look at the verifier as
> >
> > 	Input 	Process 				Output
> >
> > 	JAR		Verify the correctness 		OK/NOK with error log
> > 	WAR		by parsing the DD
> > 	EAR		and applying correctness
> > 	RAR		rules
> >
> >
> > While it is true that the verifier can be a
> > standalone app and we must
> > design its internals in this spirit
> > it may also be worthwhile to decide early on how it
> > will get into the
> > geronimo frwk
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Weston M. Price [mailto:weston_p@yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 2:04 PM
> > To: geronimo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: J2EE deployment verifier
> >
> >
> > As a modular component I think this J2EE verifier
> > engine/processor would be
> > very useful in a number of projects; it could even
> > be a standalone module
> > that would allow a developer to validate their
> > archive before ever even
> > trying to deploy it in a target environment. Of
> > course, you wouldn't be able
> > to see those 100+ line stack traces roll across your
> > tty when you go to
> > deploy your archive; that would be the one
> > drawback....
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Weston
> >
> > On Monday 11 August 2003 08:26 am, Weston M. Price
> >
> > wrote:
> > > Yeah, I knew that term was going to come back at
> >
> > me, poor choice of words
> >
> > > on my part. I was basically thinking in terms of
> >
> > "rules" as conditions
> > that
> >
> > > need to be satisfied to fulfill a deployment; not
> >
> > in terms of a full blown
> >
> > > rules engine (though this would be somewhat
> >
> > interesting). At the very core
> >
> > > what you really have is a set of conditions that
> >
> > when applied to a
> >
> > > deployable unit (EAR, WAR, SAR etc) must be met
> >
> > for the archive to be
> >
> > > deployed. A verifier exists as sort of a watchdog
> >
> > that prevents archives
> >
> > > from violating a discreet set of constraints.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Weston
> > >
> > > On Monday 11 August 2003 12:36 pm, Srihari S
> >
> > wrote:
> > > > i did not have this rule engine picture when i
> >
> > started thinking abt this
> >
> > > > verifier..
> > > > ru looking at the design of some open src rule
> >
> > engines for designing
> > this
> >
> > > > verifier?
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Weston M. Price
> >
> > [mailto:weston_p@yahoo.com]
> >
> > > > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 12:12 PM
> > > > To: Srihari S; geronimo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> > > > Subject: Re: J2EE deployment verifier
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It's an interesting subject for a few reasons:
> > > > 	What we are really talking about is a type of
> >
> > rules engine where
> > certain
> >
> > > > conditions have to be met to achieve a
> >
> > successful "deployment". The most
> >
> > > > intriguing aspect, at least to me, would be to
> >
> > make this module
> >
> > > > extensible and "forward looking" because we all
> >
> > know that specifications
> >
> > > > are static and never change right? :-) As
> >
> > Geronimo grows with J2EE (and
> >
> > > > all its associated specifications) the engine
> >
> > would similarly have to
> >
> > > > grow as well and accommodate the new standards.
> >
> > This could make for some
> >
> > > > interesting design and implementation decisions.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Weston
> > > >
> > > > Of course we all know that specification
> >
> > requirements never change right
> >
> > > > On Monday 11 August 2003 10:54 am, Srihari S
> >
> > wrote:
> > > > > I agree with you Weston..this is a good
> >
> > staarting point to gain
> >
> > > > familiarity
> > > >
> > > > > with the specs
> > > > > Count me in too.:))
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Weston M. Price
> >
> > [mailto:weston_p@yahoo.com]
> >
> > > > > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 12:01 PM
> > > > > To: geronimo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> > > > > Subject: Re: J2EE deployment verifier
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I think this would actually be quite
> >
> > interesting to work on. Man, if
> >
> > > > > there is
> > > > > a way to become familiar with the J2EE
> >
> > specs....this is it!
> >
> > > > > If you wanted someone to work with on this I
> >
> > would be happy to help.
> >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Weston
> > > > >
> > > > > On Monday 11 August 2003 05:03 am, Denes
> >
> > wrote:
> > > > > > Hi Folks,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm intending to begin writing something for
> >
> > the deployment
> > verifier,
> >
> > > > > > both to learn more about the specs and
> >
> > (hopefully) help with the
> >
> > > > > > project.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Some questions:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1.	Is there anybody working on this issue?
> > > > > > 2.	Will this be based on openEJB's
> >
> > deployment verifier?
> >
> > > > > > 3.	Something that I never understood. As I
> >
> > don't have commit
> >
> > > > > > permission on cvs, to whom I should send
> >
> > patches/codes that I
> > create?
> >
> > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > Denes
>
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