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From James Strachan <>
Subject Re: ObjectWeb (was Re: ASM looks cool but LGPL)
Date Thu, 28 Aug 2003 16:08:02 GMT
Just to be clear in case any ObjectWeb folks don't know. Apache 
software cannot import any *GPL code since its a viral licence. So on a 
project like Apache Geronimo we cannot import any ObjectWeb code - 
hence we can't use ASM.

However if Geronimo links to the JMS API (which we have an ASF/BSD 
version of it) then a user could deploy JORAM inside Geronimo. Though 
due to the LGPL licence Apache couldn't bundle JORAM inside it and host 
it at Apache - though others could if they wished. e.g. ObjectWeb could 
host a deployment of Geronimo with LGPL stuff inside it.

If any ObjectWeb projects were available under a BSD style licence then 
Apache projects could happily use them directly & import the code (e.g. 

On Thursday, August 28, 2003, at 01:36  pm, Daniel S. Haischt wrote:

> hello,
> is it up to a particular ObjectWeb software project team to
> decide whether they want to re-release their software under
> a new or dual license or will the ObjectWeb group work on
> a strategy on how it would be possible to 'enabling its (ASF's)
> projects to use some OW code'?
> i for instance am interested in the JORAM JMS server [1] because
> that project implements the JMS v1.1 API and because it now ships
> with that nifty kJORAM J2ME library which enables people not to rely
> on the commercial iBuss//Mobile software [2].
> just out of curiosity - why was the JORAM project moved from
> a CPL license to LGPL?
> regards
> daniel s. haischt
> --
> references:
> [1]:
> [2]:
> Jeff Mesnil wrote:
>> (given the subject, I crosspost to ObjectWeb architecture mailing 
>> list)
>> Daniel S. Haischt wrote:
>>> James Strachan wrote:
>>>> Just to be clear - we cannot touch any LGPL code at Apache so that 
>>>> rules out ASM for now.
>>> yes, that was my distinct understanding!
>>> i just wanted to explain that i do not think that the
>>> ObjectWeb group will release ASM under a BSD kinda
>>> license.
>> There have been some talks within ObjectWeb community to see
>> how we (the OW community) can collaborate more with Apache and 
>> Geronimo.
>> License is one of the main issues what we have to solve but I do 
>> believe
>> that we can find a good solution for both Apache and ObjectWeb.
>> After all, lots of OW projects already use some Apache code.
>> Why not thank Apache back by enabling its projects to use some OW 
>> code?
>> ObjectWeb and Apache have some complementary projects and I personally
>> think that both community can benefit from better cooperation.
>> ASM would be a good start.
>> So the licensing issue is open but OW community is carefully
>> considering it.
>> jeff


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