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From Jason Dillon <>
Subject Re: [general] low signal, high noise
Date Thu, 14 Aug 2003 07:34:28 GMT
It is not just about reading the list.  My comment was more general in 
that it is super easy to add & manage sub-groups so that folks do not 
have to worry about special prefixes and stuff.  Also a bit of a 
theoretical comment on why email is bad for large discussions like this.

But whatever, hard to teach an old dog new tricks... email is an old 


On Thursday, August 14, 2003, at 02:10  PM, James Strachan wrote:

> You can read apache mail via NNTP if thats what people want to do. 
> (Dunno if this particular list is on there yet but most other ones 
> are).
> For those of us who prefer to use their email reader - always using a 
> good [prefix] on subjects can help. Over time when all the modules are 
> in CVS we'll be able to use the [moduleName] as a good prefix - then 
> folks only interested in mail relating to one or two modules can 
> filter their email easily.
> On Thursday, August 14, 2003, at 08:05  am, Jason Dillon wrote:
>> Its too bad, discussions of this size really warrant a more organized 
>> message system, like NNTP... but I have no idea if anyone at Apache 
>> is looking into this, or already has it implemented.  NTTP is much 
>> easier to manage wrt, sub contexts as well as reduces general net 
>> traffic, as every single message is not duplicated to each 
>> subscribers mail box.
>> --jason
>> On Thursday, August 14, 2003, at 07:17  AM, Henri Yandell wrote:
>>> Different issue Alan.
>>> What I'm after are sub-lists. ie)
>>> geronimo-dev mail list then:
>>> [general]   or  [spec]  etc.
>>> At Jakarta Commons we have slowly managed to get the Developer list 
>>> to
>>> abide by this, though no the User list 100% of the time. Although I 
>>> [and
>>> someone else] suggested such a thing for Geronimo, the sheer number 
>>> of
>>> people here means it's unlikely it'll manage to learn to abide by 
>>> informal
>>> rules [my opinion from the Commons community].
>>> Even if it is, the only way to make it adhere is to define a solid 
>>> set of
>>> sub-contexts and publish these [wiki, whereever]. Or to push off 
>>> separate
>>> lists [which damages the development of the community, but so does 
>>> too
>>> much noise].
>>> For your problem, have you tried filtering on a header? That's the
>>> preferred way. However I often find myself forgetting and filtering 
>>> on the
>>> Reply-To.
>>> Hen
>>> On Wed, 13 Aug 2003, Alan Cabrera wrote:
>>>> I requested a similar thing in that I asked for this discussion to 
>>>> be
>>>> labeled [geronimo-dev] so that I can spot it from the tons of junk 
>>>> emails
>>>> that are sent to me and the response that I basically got was that 
>>>> it's too
>>>> bad the my emailer sucks so bad.
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Alan
>>>> OpenEJB Developer
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Henri Yandell []
>>>>> I'm not sure if others are finding this too, but I'm
>>>>> definitely looking forward to a time when the mail list gets
>>>>> nice and organised about either having multiple lists or
>>>>> having an obvious separation of concepts with good use of
>>>>> [xxx] markers.
>>>>> I'm used to getting a lot of mail list traffic into my inbox,
>>>>> and yet I'm starting to treat the list as a lot of white-noise.
>>>>> Any need for improvements, or am I just being a wimp?
>>>>> Hen
> James
> -------

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