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From "Jonathan Duty" <jd...@jonandkerry.com>
Subject RE: J2EE deployment verifier
Date Mon, 11 Aug 2003 14:39:42 GMT
+1 I agree.

Jonathan Duty
Software Developer - eWashtenaw


-----Original Message-----
From: Srihari S [mailto:sriharis@blr.pin.philips.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 10:49 AM
To: geronimo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: J2EE deployment verifier

i still feel they can be friends...the deploy tool will do the
verification
as a part of the deployment process
then it can use the apis that we develop.
Chris, u seem to have done some homework on the deployment apis..can u
throw
some light on what it says w.r.t the
verification process

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Opacki [mailto:chris_opacki@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 7:53 PM
To: geronimo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: J2EE deployment verifier


My bad...I was assuming the deploy tool and the
verifier would be close friends.
;)

--- Srihari S <sriharis@blr.pin.philips.com> wrote:
> True
> Our module is just going to check and declare
> whether or not a given unit of
> deployment
> is deployable on a j2ee server or not.
>
> Nothing more..nothing less.
> Building this unit will be our mission..right
> weston??
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Weston M. Price [mailto:weston_p@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 3:05 PM
> To: geronimo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: J2EE deployment verifier
>
>
> And even further, let's clarify the verification is
> a completely different
> animal than actual deployment. Am I correct on this
> one at least in terms of
> the way we are thinking about this module?
>
> Weston
>
> On Monday 11 August 2003 01:50 pm, Srihari S wrote:
> > just a clarification..i hope ur referring to j2ee
> 1.4 spec
> > lets have a common understanding on this...u cud
> specify the correct
> > version
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Chris Opacki [mailto:chris_opacki@yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 7:02 PM
> > To: geronimo-dev@incubator.apache.org;
> weston_p@yahoo.com
> > Subject: RE: J2EE deployment verifier
> >
> >
> > The specs also provides a basic SPI API. It also
> > provides a high level architecture describe the
> > relations between deployable components and
> objects in
> > the deploymeny tool and manager. It's an
> interesting
> > read.
> >
> > --- Srihari S <sriharis@blr.pin.philips.com>
> wrote:
> > > never mind ur choice of words....if we end up
> using
> > > the rule engine concept
> > > it will because of u:)
> > > So at a very hi level we can look at the
> verifier as
> > >
> > > 	Input 	Process 				Output
> > >
> > > 	JAR		Verify the correctness 		OK/NOK with
error
> log
> > > 	WAR		by parsing the DD
> > > 	EAR		and applying correctness
> > > 	RAR		rules
> > >
> > >
> > > While it is true that the verifier can be a
> > > standalone app and we must
> > > design its internals in this spirit
> > > it may also be worthwhile to decide early on how
> it
> > > will get into the
> > > geronimo frwk
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Weston M. Price
> [mailto:weston_p@yahoo.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 2:04 PM
> > > To: geronimo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> > > Subject: Re: J2EE deployment verifier
> > >
> > >
> > > As a modular component I think this J2EE
> verifier
> > > engine/processor would be
> > > very useful in a number of projects; it could
> even
> > > be a standalone module
> > > that would allow a developer to validate their
> > > archive before ever even
> > > trying to deploy it in a target environment. Of
> > > course, you wouldn't be able
> > > to see those 100+ line stack traces roll across
> your
> > > tty when you go to
> > > deploy your archive; that would be the one
> > > drawback....
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Weston
> > >
> > > On Monday 11 August 2003 08:26 am, Weston M.
> Price
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > > > Yeah, I knew that term was going to come back
> at
> > >
> > > me, poor choice of words
> > >
> > > > on my part. I was basically thinking in terms
> of
> > >
> > > "rules" as conditions
> > > that
> > >
> > > > need to be satisfied to fulfill a deployment;
> not
> > >
> > > in terms of a full blown
> > >
> > > > rules engine (though this would be somewhat
> > >
> > > interesting). At the very core
> > >
> > > > what you really have is a set of conditions
> that
> > >
> > > when applied to a
> > >
> > > > deployable unit (EAR, WAR, SAR etc) must be
> met
> > >
> > > for the archive to be
> > >
> > > > deployed. A verifier exists as sort of a
> watchdog
> > >
> > > that prevents archives
> > >
> > > > from violating a discreet set of constraints.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Weston
> > > >
> > > > On Monday 11 August 2003 12:36 pm, Srihari S
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > > > > i did not have this rule engine picture when
> i
> > >
> > > started thinking abt this
> > >
> > > > > verifier..
> > > > > ru looking at the design of some open src
> rule
> > >
> > > engines for designing
> > > this
> > >
> > > > > verifier?
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Weston M. Price
> > >
> > > [mailto:weston_p@yahoo.com]
> > >
> > > > > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 12:12 PM
> > > > > To: Srihari S;
> geronimo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> > > > > Subject: Re: J2EE deployment verifier
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > It's an interesting subject for a few
> reasons:
> > > > > 	What we are really talking about is a type
> of
> > >
> > > rules engine where
> > > certain
> > >
> > > > > conditions have to be met to achieve a
> > >
> > > successful "deployment". The most
> > >
> > > > > intriguing aspect, at least to me, would be
> to
> > >
> > > make this module
> > >
> > > > > extensible and "forward looking" because we
> all
> > >
> > > know that specifications
> > >
> > > > > are static and never change right? :-) As
> > >
> > > Geronimo grows with J2EE (and
>
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