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From Sean Hamblett <>
Subject Re: [deployment][jsr77] Dependency code in AbstractStateManageable.
Date Thu, 21 Aug 2003 00:07:41 GMT

	Thanks for clearing that up.  I should have know it was my confusion.  In 
that case, if 77 is being applied to both Applications, and Server, should we 
place a dividing line between the two?  Implement 77 for the Applications, 
and extend it for the servers, so we can take advantage of the life cycle, 
performance, etc that 77 has to offer, and add in Geronimo specific stuff in 
the extended version, for managing plugins, and services.  By extending the 
77 J2EEManagedObject Model and creating the GeronimoManagedObjectModel we 
could use the existing spec for all, and add to it where needed to enhance 
the management functionality of Geronimo.



On Wednesday 20 August 2003 06:29 pm, Greg Wilkins wrote:

> Sean,
> firstly let's not escalate this into a "flame war" status just yet.  People
> can have different views of a problem and it's solution and express
> them rather strongly without it being a war.
> I believe that we should be using 77 to manage the application and the
> container.  It makes little sense to me to have different lifecycles etc.
> But the point at hand is a little bit below 77 at the moment - it is how
> we organize our fundamental components... which just so happen to use 77
> APIs so that they can be 77 manageable once they are created.
> cheers
> Sean Hamblett wrote:
> > On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:29:11 -0500
> >  Dain Sundstrom <>
> >
> > wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, August 20, 2003, at 02:25 AM, Greg Wilkins wrote:
> >
> >   I think we all agree that we are implementing 77, but I don't think we
> > all have the same definition of 77.  I understand 77 to be about the
> > Application management, ie the manaegement of a deployed J2EE
> > Application, and all of its parts (encapsulated within the ear).  What I
> > am hearing is 77 is about Application management, the Geronimo
> > Application and all if its parts.  If I am wrong let me know, but to
> > help us work together I think we need to agree on what 77 means to us
> > before we get in a flame war over different definitions of the same spec.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Sean

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