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From Chris Opacki <chris_opa...@yahoo.com>
Subject Re: J2EE deployment verifier
Date Mon, 11 Aug 2003 13:55:35 GMT
They are on the wiki page: 
http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?ApacheJ2EE/J2eeSpecs

I haven't read the j2ee 1.4 specs to see what it says
yet.

--- Vikram Goyal <tech@craftbits.com> wrote:
> Are the minimum versions of the specifications
> specified anywhere as yet?
> 
> Vikram
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Chris Opacki" <chris_opacki@yahoo.com>
> To: <geronimo-dev@incubator.apache.org>
> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 11:46 PM
> Subject: RE: J2EE deployment verifier
> 
> 
> Yes.
> 
> --- Srihari S <sriharis@blr.pin.philips.com> wrote:
> > just a clarification..i hope ur referring to j2ee
> > 1.4 spec
> > lets have a common understanding on this...u cud
> > specify the correct version
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Chris Opacki [mailto:chris_opacki@yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 7:02 PM
> > To: geronimo-dev@incubator.apache.org;
> > weston_p@yahoo.com
> > Subject: RE: J2EE deployment verifier
> > 
> > 
> > The specs also provides a basic SPI API. It also
> > provides a high level architecture describe the
> > relations between deployable components and
> objects
> > in
> > the deploymeny tool and manager. It's an
> interesting
> > read.
> > 
> > --- Srihari S <sriharis@blr.pin.philips.com>
> wrote:
> > > never mind ur choice of words....if we end up
> > using
> > > the rule engine concept
> > > it will because of u:)
> > > So at a very hi level we can look at the
> verifier
> > as
> > >
> > > Input Process Output
> > >
> > > JAR Verify the correctness OK/NOK with error
> > log
> > > WAR by parsing the DD
> > > EAR and applying correctness
> > > RAR rules
> > >
> > >
> > > While it is true that the verifier can be a
> > > standalone app and we must
> > > design its internals in this spirit
> > > it may also be worthwhile to decide early on how
> > it
> > > will get into the
> > > geronimo frwk
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Weston M. Price
> [mailto:weston_p@yahoo.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 2:04 PM
> > > To: geronimo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> > > Subject: Re: J2EE deployment verifier
> > >
> > >
> > > As a modular component I think this J2EE
> verifier
> > > engine/processor would be
> > > very useful in a number of projects; it could
> even
> > > be a standalone module
> > > that would allow a developer to validate their
> > > archive before ever even
> > > trying to deploy it in a target environment. Of
> > > course, you wouldn't be able
> > > to see those 100+ line stack traces roll across
> > your
> > > tty when you go to
> > > deploy your archive; that would be the one
> > > drawback....
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Weston
> > >
> > > On Monday 11 August 2003 08:26 am, Weston M.
> Price
> > > wrote:
> > > > Yeah, I knew that term was going to come back
> at
> > > me, poor choice of words
> > > > on my part. I was basically thinking in terms
> of
> > > "rules" as conditions
> > > that
> > > > need to be satisfied to fulfill a deployment;
> > not
> > > in terms of a full blown
> > > > rules engine (though this would be somewhat
> > > interesting). At the very core
> > > > what you really have is a set of conditions
> that
> > > when applied to a
> > > > deployable unit (EAR, WAR, SAR etc) must be
> met
> > > for the archive to be
> > > > deployed. A verifier exists as sort of a
> > watchdog
> > > that prevents archives
> > > > from violating a discreet set of constraints.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Weston
> > > >
> > > > On Monday 11 August 2003 12:36 pm, Srihari S
> > > wrote:
> > > > > i did not have this rule engine picture when
> i
> > > started thinking abt this
> > > > > verifier..
> > > > > ru looking at the design of some open src
> rule
> > > engines for designing
> > > this
> > > > > verifier?
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Weston M. Price
> > > [mailto:weston_p@yahoo.com]
> > > > > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 12:12 PM
> > > > > To: Srihari S;
> > geronimo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> > > > > Subject: Re: J2EE deployment verifier
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > It's an interesting subject for a few
> reasons:
> > > > > What we are really talking about is a type
> of
> > > rules engine where
> > > certain
> > > > > conditions have to be met to achieve a
> > > successful "deployment". The most
> > > > > intriguing aspect, at least to me, would be
> to
> > > make this module
> > > > > extensible and "forward looking" because we
> > all
> > > know that specifications
> > > > > are static and never change right? :-) As
> > > Geronimo grows with J2EE (and
> > > > > all its associated specifications) the
> engine
> > > would similarly have to
> > > > > grow as well and accommodate the new
> > standards.
> > > This could make for some
> > > > > interesting design and implementation
> > decisions.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Weston
> > > > >
> > > > > Of course we all know that specification
> > > requirements never change right
> > > > >
> > > > > On Monday 11 August 2003 10:54 am, Srihari S
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > I agree with you Weston..this is a good
> > > staarting point to gain
> > > > >
> > > > > familiarity
> > > > >
> > > > > > with the specs
> > > > > > Count me in too.:))
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Weston M. Price
> > > [mailto:weston_p@yahoo.com]
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 12:01 PM
> > > > > > To: geronimo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> > > > > > Subject: Re: J2EE deployment verifier
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think this would actually be quite
> > > interesting to work on. Man, if
> > > > > > there is
> > > > > > a way to become familiar with the J2EE
> > > specs....this is it!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you wanted someone to work with on this
> I
> 
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