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From "Weston M. Price" <westo...@yahoo.com>
Subject Re: J2EE deployment verifier
Date Mon, 11 Aug 2003 11:54:39 GMT
But is it an actual object model or just an API? Sorry for my ignorance on 
this, but I haven't had a chance to really get into the specs.

Weston

On Monday 11 August 2003 03:55 pm, Chris Opacki wrote:
> That is exactly what i was thinking. This is the
> object model that has been defined in the deployment
> spec... under Tool Provider Interfaces. There are also
> some other classes, exceptions and interfaces that
> both modules might use.
>
> --- "Weston M. Price" <weston_p@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > But I do agree that the two teams must work closely
> > together....Chris made an
> > excellent point in indetifying that there are
> > certain basic facilities that
> > we can use together....I think if we can agree on a
> > common object model for
> > archive formats (EAR, WAR, SAR) then we could
> > probably develop our own
> > streams, attributes, behavior.....
> >
> > Weston
> >
> > On Monday 11 August 2003 03:18 pm, Chris Opacki
> >
> > wrote:
> > > Ditto on all of that! Quite honestly...the
> >
> > deployer
> >
> > > shouldn't run...period...until the verifier has
> > > run...its a good idea that the deployableobject
> >
> > are
> >
> > > build from within a controller that sends them to
> >
> > the
> >
> > > verifier for verification and then to the
> >
> > deployer.
> >
> > > Something along that lines at a high level. we can
> > > reuse both engines for CLI and the GUI.
> > >
> > > --- Jonathan Duty <jduty@jonandkerry.com> wrote:
> > > > +1 You've convinced me.  That would be a bad a$$
> > > > tool to have as a
> > > > developer.
> > > >
> > > > Plus, the deployment team could use it if they
> >
> > want
> >
> > > > to verify the
> > > > archive schema before they start deploying it.
> > > >
> > > > Count me in!
> > > > ~Jonathan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Jonathan Duty
> > > > Software Developer - eWashtenaw
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Weston M. Price
> >
> > [mailto:weston_p@yahoo.com]
> >
> > > > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 6:41 AM
> > > > To: geronimo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> > > > Subject: Re: J2EE deployment verifier
> > > >
> > > > I agree completely. I think what we are talking
> > > > about are two modules
> > > > that are
> > > > close cousins. The verification manager is
> >
> > again,
> >
> > > > the "front-line" of
> > > > defense
> > > > for the deployment manager. I would assume the
> > > > deployment manager would
> > > > deal
> > > > with critical errors such as LinkageConstraints,
> > > > incorrect classfile
> > > > versions
> > > > etc. while the verfication manager will handle
> > > > actual semantic
> > > > fallibities in
> > > > the deployment descriptors based upon the
> >
> > existing
> >
> > > > specifications.
> > > >
> > > > 	The reason I mentioned a seperate verification
> > > > module was that I
> > > > would
> > > > developers (hell, I know I would) like an engine
> > > > that given a deployment
> > > >
> > > > platform could validate their archive before
> >
> > ever
> >
> > > > trying to drop it in
> > > > the
> > > > chute. This would save a lot of time largely due
> >
> > to
> >
> > > > the fact that XML
> > > > descriptors are not typed and you don't know if
> >
> > they
> >
> > > > are "correct" at
> > > > compile
> > > > time. I suppose the biggest win in all of this
> >
> > in my
> >
> > > > opion would be to
> > > > provide hooks for an ANT task that would verify
> >
> > the
> >
> > > > archive during
> > > > compile
> > > > time.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Weston
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Monday 11 August 2003 02:39 pm, Jonathan Duty
> > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Why couldn't they be close friends. Could this
> > > >
> > > > verifier, even as a
> > > >
> > > > > separate module, be a subset of the deploy
> >
> > module?
> >
> > > >  I mean we don't
> > > > want
> > > >
> > > > > to deploy something that the J2EE server will
> >
> > not
> >
> > > > accept.
> > > >
> > > > > Maybe these 2 groups should work close
> >
> > together.
> >
> > > > > ~Jonathan
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Chris Opacki
> >
> > [mailto:chris_opacki@yahoo.com]
> >
> > > > > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 10:23 AM
> > > > > To: geronimo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> > > > > Subject: RE: J2EE deployment verifier
> > > > >
> > > > > My bad...I was assuming the deploy tool and
> >
> > the
> >
> > > > > verifier would be close friends.
> > > > > ;)
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Srihari S <sriharis@blr.pin.philips.com>
> > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > True
> > > > > > Our module is just going to check and
> >
> > declare
> >
> > > > > > whether or not a given unit of
> > > > > > deployment
> > > > > > is deployable on a j2ee server or not.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nothing more..nothing less.
> > > > > > Building this unit will be our
> >
> > mission..right
> >
> > > > > > weston??
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Weston M. Price
> > > >
> > > > [mailto:weston_p@yahoo.com]
> > > >
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 3:05 PM
> > > > > > To: geronimo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> > > > > > Subject: Re: J2EE deployment verifier
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And even further, let's clarify the
> >
> > verification
> >
> > > > is
> > > >
> > > > > > a completely different
> > > > > > animal than actual deployment. Am I correct
> >
> > on
> >
> > > > this
> > > >
> > > > > > one at least in terms of
> > > > > > the way we are thinking about this module?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Weston
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Monday 11 August 2003 01:50 pm, Srihari S
> > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > just a clarification..i hope ur referring
> >
> > to
> >
> > > > j2ee
> > > >
> > > > > > 1.4 spec
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > lets have a common understanding on
> >
> > this...u
> >
> > > > cud
> > > >
> > > > > > specify the correct
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > version
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: Chris Opacki
> > > >
> > > > [mailto:chris_opacki@yahoo.com]
>
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