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From "Weston M. Price" <westo...@yahoo.com>
Subject Re: J2EE deployment verifier
Date Mon, 11 Aug 2003 09:46:21 GMT
Hmmm...I am not sure it matters all that much, what we are really discussing 
here is core functionality. There is not reason that we can't map what the 
spec calls for to our engine/processor correct?

Weston

On Monday 11 August 2003 01:59 pm, Srihari S wrote:
> weston....your opinion...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Opacki [mailto:chris_opacki@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 7:15 PM
> To: geronimo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: J2EE deployment verifier
>
>
> exactly that.
>
> --- Srihari S <sriharis@blr.pin.philips.com> wrote:
> > Correct me if i am wrong...based on the emerging
> > j2ee 1.4 stds any j2ee
> > server will have to use the deployment apis..
> > i mean the new javax.deployment apis...
> > my question is will the apis that ur suggesting end
> > up/can be adapted to
> > become an implementation of this javax.deployment
> > package?
> > I haven't started seeing this javax.deployment apis
> > spec...but just a
> > thought?
> > anyway we will have to write an implementation for
> > this pack also at some
> > point of time to get compliance..
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jonathan Duty [mailto:jduty@jonandkerry.com]
> > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 6:32 PM
> > To: geronimo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: RE: J2EE deployment verifier
> >
> >
> > I would say we start out by designing an API that
> > gerinomo can use to
> > verify deployments.  Then we can build a stand alone
> > application around
> > that (basically put in a main function etc).
> >
> > I know a few people were talking about building a
> > GUI interface to
> > Gerinomo for deployment/monitoring.  That may be a
> > good place to start
> > asking how they would like to integrate.
> >
> > ~Jonathan
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Srihari S
> > [mailto:sriharis@blr.pin.philips.com]
> > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 9:05 AM
> > To: geronimo-dev@incubator.apache.org;
> > weston_p@yahoo.com
> > Subject: RE: J2EE deployment verifier
> >
> > never mind ur choice of words....if we end up using
> > the rule engine
> > concept
> > it will because of u:)
> > So at a very hi level we can look at the verifier as
> >
> > 	Input 	Process 				Output
> >
> > 	JAR		Verify the correctness 		OK/NOK with
> > error log
> > 	WAR		by parsing the DD
> > 	EAR		and applying correctness
> > 	RAR		rules
> >
> >
> > While it is true that the verifier can be a
> > standalone app and we must
> > design its internals in this spirit
> > it may also be worthwhile to decide early on how it
> > will get into the
> > geronimo frwk
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Weston M. Price [mailto:weston_p@yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 2:04 PM
> > To: geronimo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: J2EE deployment verifier
> >
> >
> > As a modular component I think this J2EE verifier
> > engine/processor would
> > be
> > very useful in a number of projects; it could even
> > be a standalone
> > module
> > that would allow a developer to validate their
> > archive before ever even
> > trying to deploy it in a target environment. Of
> > course, you wouldn't be
> > able
> > to see those 100+ line stack traces roll across your
> > tty when you go to
> > deploy your archive; that would be the one
> > drawback....
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Weston
> >
> > On Monday 11 August 2003 08:26 am, Weston M. Price
> >
> > wrote:
> > > Yeah, I knew that term was going to come back at
> >
> > me, poor choice of
> > words
> >
> > > on my part. I was basically thinking in terms of
> >
> > "rules" as conditions
> > that
> >
> > > need to be satisfied to fulfill a deployment; not
> >
> > in terms of a full
> > blown
> >
> > > rules engine (though this would be somewhat
> >
> > interesting). At the very
> > core
> >
> > > what you really have is a set of conditions that
> >
> > when applied to a
> >
> > > deployable unit (EAR, WAR, SAR etc) must be met
> >
> > for the archive to be
> >
> > > deployed. A verifier exists as sort of a watchdog
> >
> > that prevents
> > archives
> >
> > > from violating a discreet set of constraints.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Weston
> > >
> > > On Monday 11 August 2003 12:36 pm, Srihari S
> >
> > wrote:
> > > > i did not have this rule engine picture when i
> >
> > started thinking abt
> > this
> >
> > > > verifier..
> > > > ru looking at the design of some open src rule
> >
> > engines for designing
> > this
> >
> > > > verifier?
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Weston M. Price
> >
> > [mailto:weston_p@yahoo.com]
> >
> > > > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 12:12 PM
> > > > To: Srihari S; geronimo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> > > > Subject: Re: J2EE deployment verifier
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It's an interesting subject for a few reasons:
> > > > 	What we are really talking about is a type of
> >
> > rules engine where
> > certain
> >
> > > > conditions have to be met to achieve a
> >
> > successful "deployment". The
> > most
> >
> > > > intriguing aspect, at least to me, would be to
> >
> > make this module
> >
> > > > extensible and "forward looking" because we all
> >
> > know that
> > specifications
> >
> > > > are static and never change right? :-) As
> >
> > Geronimo grows with J2EE
> > (and
> >
> > > > all its associated specifications) the engine
> >
> > would similarly have
> > to
> >
> > > > grow as well and accommodate the new standards.
> >
> > This could make for
> > some
> >
> > > > interesting design and implementation decisions.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Weston
> > > >
> > > > Of course we all know that specification
> >
> > requirements never change
> > right
> >
> > > > On Monday 11 August 2003 10:54 am, Srihari S
> >
> > wrote:
> > > > > I agree with you Weston..this is a good
> >
> > staarting point to gain
> >
> > > > familiarity
> > > >
> > > > > with the specs
> > > > > Count me in too.:))
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Weston M. Price
> >
> > [mailto:weston_p@yahoo.com]
> >
> > > > > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 12:01 PM
> > > > > To: geronimo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> > > > > Subject: Re: J2EE deployment verifier
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I think this would actually be quite
> >
> > interesting to work on. Man,
> > if
> >
> > > > > there is
> > > > > a way to become familiar with the J2EE
> >
> > specs....this is it!
> >
> > > > > If you wanted someone to work with on this I
> >
> > would be happy to
> > help.
>
> === message truncated ===
>
>
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