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From Alex Blewitt <>
Subject Re: DownloadTest Failure when working offline/ behind firewall
Date Fri, 29 Aug 2003 13:31:14 GMT
On Friday, Aug 29, 2003, at 13:13 Europe/London, James Strachan wrote:

> Its standard Maven procedure on all Maven projects to work like this. 
> You're the first person I've heard who doesn't like it.

There's always a first :-) Sounds like the last, too ...

> Like I said - its easy to disable the running of unit tests if you 
> wish - either on the command line, via or by hacking 
> your own maven.xml.

Yup, done so.

>> Sure, if I am the only person who thinks that running tests every 
>> time during development is annoying.
> I guess you've not got gotten test-infected & caught the TDD bug then.
> Remember you can use your IDE to edit code (e.g. eclipse) and run only 
> those unit tests you wish. You don't have to use Maven every time you 
> code something.

I absolutely am test-infected :-) I've got about 1/3 of the JavaMail 
APIs with unit tests, and in implementing the rest I'm creating more 

What I do is build the system in Eclipse, run the tests in Eclipse, and 
repeatedly go back/forwards in that cycle. I don't drop down into Maven 
because it's a painfully slow build/test cycle. In fact, the only time 
I need it is when I want to run the system as a whole, and then it bugs 
me if all the tests are run then since I know the stuff I want to test 
works :-) I just don't think IMHO that the tests are a necessary part 
of an ordinary developer build, though they will definitely be required 
for (say) public releases.

What I have done in the past is a cycle of:

Write/Test -> in Eclipse
Run -> compile and get code working (inc. jars)
Integrate -> run unit tests
Release ->

Anyway, I wholeheartedly support testing, just not integration testing 
for every compile phase.


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