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From "Gav...." <brightoncomput...@brightontown.com.au>
Subject RE: is forrest the right choice?
Date Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:51:24 GMT


> -----Original Message-----
> From: chemosh [mailto:chemosh@gmx.de]
> Sent: Monday, 24 July 2006 6:25 PM
> To: user@forrest.apache.org
> Subject: Re: is forrest the right choice?
> 
> Thank you for your answer.
> 
> I thought about a CMS system but I believe a CMS is also not the kind of
> app I`m searching because it is more about the document itself and that
> everybody can edit it.
> 
> So, I noticed I stressed the interactivity  a little bit to much in my
> previous explanation.
> The primary focus is more on the template form creation.  It is not
> about documents like research papers where more person contribute but
> moreover documents describing processes within the university. 


> So one
> persons fills out an official form describing what he wants to do and
> then all persons and positions which are involved can see this form.

In Lenya this would be the Author/Creator who creates the document and need
Not have permissions to Publish.

> Ultimately the data security official has to give its "ok" according to
> what he can see in the filled out document and the described process can
> be used.

In Lenya this could be the Publisher who has writes to publish the document
If it passes criteria, or he/she can edit it, mark comments whatever and not
Publish it (therefore rejecting it) until it is submitted correctly.


> And if the request is rejected by the data security official the creator
> should have the possibility to edit his won document according to the
> reason why it was rejected.
> 
> I hope this makes it more clear what I`m trying to develop.
> 
> 
> Sorry, for asking twice but I really want to be sure that Forrest is not
> what I`m searching.

Lenya has lots of layers for permissions based authoring, Forrest itself
does not but I suppose you can use it in a way that people create/edit
Xml documents and only a Publisher (Data Security Offical) can actually
Deploy the changes to a server.

Otherwise consider looking at Ross' suggestion of Daisy - which I know
Absolutely nothing about but would listen to judgement if he says it
Is right for you.

Gav...

> 
> Kai
> 
> Ross Gardler schrieb:
> > Short answer - no, Forest is not suitable for your use case.
> >
> > Forrest is an XML publishing framework, it is not a Content Management
> > System.
> >
> > Since Forrest is built on top of Cocoon, a web application framework,
> > you could make it do all the things you want, but you would be much
> > better adopting a framework already suitable for the purpose. I.e. go
> > directly to Cocoon or take a look at the two Cocoon based CMS systems:
> >
> > http://lenya.apache.org
> > http://www.cocoondev.org/daisy
> >
> > Personally I think Daisy is better suited to your needs. Lenya is a
> > CMS framework and would need much more work to get o the stage you
> > want (although gives you more flexibility in the long term). Daisy is
> > pretty much ready for your needs now.
> >
> > The downside of daisy is that it does not store the structured part of
> > your data in a relational database and so querying a large data set
> > will be inefficient. You can modify it to do this, but if you have a
> > large data set you may be better considering Lenya since, as I say, it
> > is a framework designed for such customisation.
> >
> > Of course there are plenty of other solutions you could go for that do
> > not use Cocoon as the framework, Apache alone has about a fair few
> > webapp framework projects.
> >
> > Ross
> >
> > chemosh wrote:
> >> Hello!
> >>
> >> If this is not the right place to ask my question I apologize in
> >> advance.
> >>
> >> Currently I`m trying to decide if forrest is the correct choice to
> >> fulfill my needs and I hope you can answer that or at least say if
> >> you think that forrest can do what I want it to do.
> >>
> >> I`m working as an student employee at a university and as you can
> >> image there is a lot paperwork do to.The normal practice here is to
> >> fill out word documents with some macros then bring them, or in some
> >> cases send them via email to the next department where the document
> >> is reviewed, feedback given, etc.......altogether very ineffective.
> >>
> >> My job now is to provide a web-based solution where a user can fill
> >> out and edit a form and then when he is finished it is send to the
> >> right persons which can review it, give feedfack, etc......everything
> >> via the website. So until everything is correct no more printing, etc
> >> should be necessary.
> >> I want the forms to be created via templates so that a new form can
> >> easily be adapted and used.
> >>
> >> So in the end the user should be able to view every document they
> >> ever created. Easily create and edit new documents and export them to
> >> various formats and it should be quite easy to integrate new forms
> >> via templates. ;)
> >>
> >> So to get to my question again, can this be done with the help of
> >> forrest as basic "framework" for the webapp or do you think that
> >> another framework would be better suited for the job?
> >>
> >> Greetings,
> >> Kai
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> 
> 
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