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Subject svn commit: r376643 - /forrest/events/forrest-friday/20060210-log.txt
Date Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:40:07 GMT
Author: crossley
Date: Fri Feb 10 03:40:04 2006
New Revision: 376643

URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs?rev=376643&view=rev
Log:
Update

Modified:
    forrest/events/forrest-friday/20060210-log.txt

Modified: forrest/events/forrest-friday/20060210-log.txt
URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs/forrest/events/forrest-friday/20060210-log.txt?rev=376643&r1=376642&r2=376643&view=diff
==============================================================================
--- forrest/events/forrest-friday/20060210-log.txt (original)
+++ forrest/events/forrest-friday/20060210-log.txt Fri Feb 10 03:40:04 2006
@@ -2,20 +2,20 @@
 [18:42] » JennyCurran joined the chat room.
 [18:43] » tscherler joined the chat room.
 [18:43] » cheche joined the chat room.
-[18:43]    cheche: good morning...
-[18:43] tscherler: hi 
+[18:43]     cheche: good morning...
+[18:43]  tscherler: hi 
 [18:44] tscherler: cheche at what time you will come to my home?
-[18:44]      xley: g'day
-[18:44] tscherler: hi david
+[18:44]       xley: g'day
+[18:44]  tscherler: hi david
 [18:45] tscherler: BTW
 [18:45] tscherler: > Thanks David, you are now the official dispatcher "profiler" for
me (no
 [18:45] tscherler: > strings attached). ;-)
 [18:45] tscherler: I see the smiley, but please, no. We all need to try
 [18:45] tscherler: to interpet it. 
-[18:45]    cheche: tscherler: I do not know ... but have you realied that it is going to
be the 14th february
-[18:45] tscherler: It was a job
-[18:45]    cheche: I do not want to ruin your dinner
-[18:45] tscherler: if you keep on comment this like you did I will not do them anymore
+[18:45]     cheche: tscherler: I do not know ... but have you realied that it is going to
be the 14th february
+[18:45]  tscherler: It was a job
+[18:45]     cheche: I do not want to ruin your dinner
+[18:45]  tscherler: if you keep on comment this like you did I will not do them anymore
 [18:45] tscherler: what is a petty
 [18:45] tscherler: smilling is good
 [18:46] tscherler: ;-)
@@ -23,111 +23,111 @@
 [18:46] tscherler: no worries
 [18:46] tscherler: I am married now 6 years ;-)
 [18:47] tscherler: (08:45:27) tscherler: It was a job-> should read it was a joke
-[18:47]    cheche: ok, so possibly around 9 pm 
+[18:47]     cheche: ok, so possibly around 9 pm 
 [18:48] cheche: http://casa.che-che.com/~bot/forre​st/forrest.log.10Feb2006
 [18:48] cheche: that is the live log
-[18:48] tscherler: k
+[18:48]  tscherler: k
 [18:48] tscherler: looking forward dude
-[18:50]    cheche: I am a bit  sad about forrest...
+[18:50]     cheche: I am a bit  sad about forrest...
 [18:50] cheche: I was doing a web site for a customer
-[18:50] tscherler: why?
-[18:50]    cheche: http://www.cesarnieto.com/
+[18:50]  tscherler: why?
+[18:50]     cheche: http://www.cesarnieto.com/
 [18:51] cheche: I did it using forrest v.07
 [18:51] cheche: and I ask a css programer to help me with the site
 [18:51] cheche: I have got an email yesterday from him
-[18:52] tscherler: and?
-[18:52]    cheche: he said that it was the most complex css code that he ever saw
+[18:52]  tscherler: and?
+[18:52]     cheche: he said that it was the most complex css code that he ever saw
 [18:52] cheche: and he quit for the job :-)
-[18:53] tscherler: lol
+[18:53]  tscherler: lol
 [18:53] tscherler: but it was not jose, or?
-[18:53]    cheche: no, it was not jose
-[18:53] tscherler: k
-[18:53]    cheche: it was other person that I contact before jose
+[18:53]     cheche: no, it was not jose
+[18:53]  tscherler: k
+[18:53]     cheche: it was other person that I contact before jose
 [18:53] cheche: jose does not seem an expert on css code
-[18:53] tscherler: the css was growing
+[18:53]  tscherler: the css was growing
 [18:54] tscherler: yeah can be
 [18:54] tscherler: I had feeling once ;-)
-[18:55]    cheche: well, that was with the old version
+[18:55]     cheche: well, that was with the old version
 [18:55] cheche: is the dispatcher going to help in this way?
 [19:00] cheche: xley: about the user moderation policy
 [19:00] cheche: I am ok with the new changes.
-[19:01]      xley: okay, as you can see i don't know much about moderation, so just stumble
along
-[19:01]    cheche: but I think that when a  new email comes to the moderation state,,  should
sent an email to the person asking to sned an email to user-subcribe@forrest.apache.org
+[19:01]       xley: okay, as you can see i don't know much about moderation, so just stumble
along
+[19:01]     cheche: but I think that when a  new email comes to the moderation state,,  should
sent an email to the person asking to sned an email to user-subcribe@forrest.apache.org
 [19:02] cheche: xley: can I add www.cesarnieto.com as en example site?
-[19:02]      xley: better if they do.
+[19:02]       xley: better if they do.
 [19:02] xley: sure please do
-[19:03]    cheche: but It has his own skin and a lot of modifications
-[19:03]      xley: no problem, it is still an example of what can be done.
-[19:03]    cheche: ok then
-[19:04] tscherler: cheche yes and no
+[19:03]     cheche: but It has his own skin and a lot of modifications
+[19:03]       xley: no problem, it is still an example of what can be done.
+[19:03]     cheche: ok then
+[19:04]  tscherler: cheche yes and no
 [19:04] tscherler: the css codes is not rewritten for the dispatcher
 [19:04] tscherler: but it would make sense
 [19:05] tscherler: it makes it way easier for a designer to change everything but still you
need to do it ;-)
 [19:05] tscherler: k
 [19:05] tscherler: I will have to run
 [19:05] tscherler: will be back in 1 hour cu
-[19:05]    cheche: cu
+[19:05]     cheche: cu
 [19:06] cheche: for the next project, I am going to try the dispacher and use this person
to modify the css. 
 [19:06] cheche: It is an experiment
-[19:06] tscherler: :)
-[19:15]    cheche: added cesarnieto.com 
+[19:06]  tscherler: :)
+[19:15]     cheche: added cesarnieto.com 
 [19:16] cheche: I have to go, I will try to find a bit of time latter on... is everything
ok xley?
-[19:17]      xley: yes thanks cheche, see you later.
+[19:17]       xley: yes thanks cheche, see you later.
 [19:32] » tscherler left the chat room. (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
 [19:42] » _Gav_ joined the chat room.
-[19:45]     _Gav_: Afternoon
-[19:48]      xley: Hi Gavin, i am just heading off for dinner, back later.
+[19:45]      _Gav_: Afternoon
+[19:48]       xley: Hi Gavin, i am just heading off for dinner, back later.
 [19:49] xley: http://casa.che-che.com/~bot/forre​st/forrest.log.10Feb2006
-[19:50]     _Gav_: thanks
+[19:50]      _Gav_: thanks
 [19:50] _Gav_: I'll work on pelt.fv if no-one else is
 [19:57] » Cyriaque joined the chat room.
-[20:03]     _Gav_: Hi Cyriaque
-[20:04]  Cyriaque: Hi
-[20:04]     _Gav_: Hows things
+[20:03]      _Gav_: Hi Cyriaque
+[20:04]   Cyriaque: Hi
+[20:04]      _Gav_: Hows things
 [20:04] _Gav_: log : http://casa.che-che.com/~bot/forr​est/forrest.log.10Feb2006
-[20:12]      xley: Gav, you will make Cheche very pleased to tidy up the structure and the
CSS of pelt.fv
+[20:12]       xley: Gav, you will make Cheche very pleased to tidy up the structure and the
CSS of pelt.fv
 [20:12] xley: Hi Cyriaque
 [20:12] xley: dinner is cooking, back soon.
-[20:12]  Cyriaque: Hi David
-[20:29]     _Gav_: no problem, will do
+[20:12]   Cyriaque: Hi David
+[20:29]      _Gav_: no problem, will do
 [21:01] » rgardler joined the chat room.
-[21:02]  rgardler: Good morning/evening for anyone around.
+[21:02]   rgardler: Good morning/evening for anyone around.
 [21:02] rgardler: I'm going to be hear on and off today
 [21:02] rgardler: moving office and there has been a problem with the movers
 [21:02] rgardler: Whilst around I will be working on FOR-200
-[21:04]      xley: get those movers moving.
-[21:04]  rgardler: they're moving now :-)
-[21:07]      xley: Re: FOR-200 locationmap, our never-ending issue ...
+[21:04]       xley: get those movers moving.
+[21:04]   rgardler: they're moving now :-)
+[21:07]       xley: Re: FOR-200 locationmap, our never-ending issue ...
 [21:08] xley: http://issues.apache.org/jira/brow​se/FOR-726 (lm in plugins) ... what
is the story with the second-last comment
 [21:09] xley: "verify the version numbers in each plugin's build.xml (some use a -dev and
some do not) and in plugins.xml"
-[21:09]  rgardler: OK, I've been meaning to address that for a while, 
+[21:09]   rgardler: OK, I've been meaning to address that for a while, 
 [21:09] rgardler: I need to check some of the install code
 [21:09] rgardler: I know I *planne* something, not sure if I implemented it
 [21:09] rgardler: looking now - back soon
 [21:10] rgardler: (planne = planned)
-[21:10]      xley: i will look too.
-[21:11]  rgardler: I have a feeling the -dev means nothing - I think I went for no versionnumber
meaning latest version in the end
-[21:11]      xley: i wondered that too.
-[21:13]  rgardler: I see no occurance of "dev" in plugins.xml (the build file)
+[21:10]       xley: i will look too.
+[21:11]   rgardler: I have a feeling the -dev means nothing - I think I went for no versionnumber
meaning latest version in the end
+[21:11]       xley: i wondered that too.
+[21:13]   rgardler: I see no occurance of "dev" in plugins.xml (the build file)
 [21:13] rgardler: therefore my conclusion is that I did go for no version number in the end
 [21:13] rgardler: therefore we should *not* have "-dev" extensions
-[21:13]      xley: i did find and grep "\-dev" in main ... nothing that seems relevant.
-[21:14]  rgardler: (OT my son just ate his first breakfast without assistane - applause for
my son - who now need to be cleaned up)
+[21:13]       xley: i did find and grep "\-dev" in main ... nothing that seems relevant.
+[21:14]   rgardler: (OT my son just ate his first breakfast without assistane - applause
for my son - who now need to be cleaned up)
 [21:14] rgardler: looking at main...
-[21:14]      xley: okay i will go any fix that aspect
-[21:15]  rgardler: I only see "dev" in the context of Forrest core version numbers so we
seem to agree
+[21:14]       xley: okay i will go any fix that aspect
+[21:15]   rgardler: I only see "dev" in the context of Forrest core version numbers so we
seem to agree
 [21:16] rgardler: Going to clean zeph, back in 10 mnutes, then on with FOR-711 (LM caching)
-[22:01]      xley: Ross, when you are back, i would like to have a talk about plugin deployment.
-[22:01]  rgardler: I'm back - give me a few minutes to write some notes on what I have discovered
re FOR-711 - 2 minutes
-[22:02]      xley: k
-[22:05]     _Gav_: Ive been out, back to work on Pelt theme, should I work directly in plugin
directory on this, or deploy it to a test site
+[22:01]       xley: Ross, when you are back, i would like to have a talk about plugin deployment.
+[22:01]   rgardler: I'm back - give me a few minutes to write some notes on what I have discovered
re FOR-711 - 2 minutes
+[22:02]       xley: k
+[22:05]      _Gav_: Ive been out, back to work on Pelt theme, should I work directly in plugin
directory on this, or deploy it to a test site
 [22:05] _Gav_: What concerns has cheche with this
-[22:05]      xley: do both
-[22:06]     _Gav_: ok cheers
-[22:06]      xley: cheche might be back later today.
-[22:06]     _Gav_: ok
-[22:10]  rgardler: OK, David, fire away
-[22:11]      xley: about plugin deployment ...
+[22:05]       xley: do both
+[22:06]      _Gav_: ok cheers
+[22:06]       xley: cheche might be back later today.
+[22:06]      _Gav_: ok
+[22:10]   rgardler: OK, David, fire away
+[22:11]       xley: about plugin deployment ...
 [22:11] xley: we have talked about this once before (cannot yet find it)
 [22:12] xley: anyway ...
 [22:12] xley: http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/fo​rrest/site/plugins/
@@ -135,32 +135,80 @@
 [22:12] xley: the badly named version numbers in the plugins/*/build.xml files.
 [22:12] xley: Fixed now so i suppose that can be removed.
 [22:12] xley: ...
-[22:13]  rgardler: No...
-[22:13]      xley: tell me
-[22:13]  rgardler: I think we may have been at cross-purposes earlier
+[22:13]   rgardler: No...
+[22:13]       xley: tell me
+[22:13]   rgardler: I think we may have been at cross-purposes earlier
 [22:13] rgardler: I was talking about -dev extension to plugin names
 [22:13] rgardler: were you talking about -dev on the forrest version?
-[22:14]      xley: i also about -dev extension to plugin names ...
-[22:14]  rgardler: OK
-[22:14]      xley: the -dev on the forrest version is related ...
-[22:14]  rgardler: So the 0.8-dev directory is the Forrest core version
+[22:14]       xley: i also about -dev extension to plugin names ...
+[22:14]   rgardler: OK
+[22:14]       xley: the -dev on the forrest version is related ...
+[22:14]   rgardler: So the 0.8-dev directory is the Forrest core version
 [22:14] rgardler: when we release 0.8 that becomes 0.8 (loses the -dev)
-[22:14]      xley: because that is where the end up being deployed, gotta get both right.
-[22:15]  rgardler: Can we remove the confusion? Just drop -dev in both cases?
+[22:14]       xley: because that is where the end up being deployed, gotta get both right.
+[22:15]   rgardler: Can we remove the confusion? Just drop -dev in both cases?
 [22:15] » twilliams_ joined the chat room.
-[22:15]      xley: that is what i wondered too
-[22:15]  rgardler: I think we can... some background...
+[22:15]       xley: that is what i wondered too
+[22:15]   rgardler: I think we can... some background...
 [22:16] rgardler: I used the -dev extension (for core) so it matched what is in the docs
 [22:16] rgardler: So, dropping it will make it the *only* place we don't use -dev
 [22:16] rgardler: But will simplify the release process
-[22:17]      xley: so what are the zips at the top-level then?
-[22:17]  rgardler: The top level zips are the current dev version
+[22:17]       xley: so what are the zips at the top-level then?
+[22:17]   rgardler: The top level zips are the current dev version
 [22:18] rgardler: I think it is a throw back to pre-versioned plugins
 [22:18] rgardler: would have to verify the download process
 [22:18] rgardler: we should be able to lose them now
 [22:18] rgardler: No.. just remembered
-[22:19]      xley: :-) glad that we are talking about it
-[22:19]  rgardler: if you specificy a dev version (-dev) 
+[22:19]       xley: :-) glad that we are talking about it
+[22:19]   rgardler: if you specificy a dev version (-dev) 
 [22:19] rgardler: it will (used to?) always use the unversioned top level pugin
-[22:19]      xley: http://casa.che-che.com/~bot/forre​st/forrest.log.10Feb2006
-[22:19]  rgardler: thus it made no difference what forrest core version you used
+[22:19]       xley: http://casa.che-che.com/~bot/forre​st/forrest.log.10Feb2006
+[22:19]   rgardler: thus it made no difference what forrest core version you used
+[22:20] rgardler: However, our eralier conversation seems to imply this is no longer the
case
+[22:20] rgardler: (I wish I could remember everything I've done - reviewing commit logs now)
+[22:21] rgardler: (By the way Hi Tim. When you get chance can you review my comments on FOR-711)
+[22:22]       xley: Hi Tim (had to keep that conversation with Ross going).
+[22:23]   rgardler: Original deployment code at:
+[22:23] rgardler: http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/​forrest/trunk/plugins/build.xml?re​v=105856&r1=76254&r2=105856&diff_f​ormat=h
+[22:24] rgardler: Versioned deployment code at
+[22:24] rgardler: http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/​forrest/trunk/plugins/build.xml?re​v=189638&r1=189630&r2=189638&diff_​format=h
+[22:24] twilliams_: hey everyone, just trying to catch up.  i'll be mostly lurking -- have
paid work to do today:(
+[22:25]   rgardler: Another deplyment related commit
+[22:25] rgardler: http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/​forrest/trunk/plugins/build.xml?re​v=189945&r1=189872&r2=189945&diff_​format=h
+[22:25] rgardler: OK, now I'm going to try and decipher those commits ;-)
+[22:29]       xley: about the forrest.version number in plugins/*/build.xml ... some had
"0.8" and some had "0.8-dev". Now no "-dev".
+[22:29]   rgardler: No "-dev" is good and agreed
+[22:29] rgardler: Regarding the top-level zips
+[22:30] rgardler: SVN is a wonderful tool:
+[22:30] rgardler: I found this:
+[22:30] rgardler: <!-- FIXME: remove this duplication of content. It is here to allow
a fallback to an
+[22:30] rgardler: unversioned plugin, but the plugin install system should be intelligent
enough to know
+[22:30] rgardler: which to download as a fallback. -->
+[22:30] rgardler: So I was remembering correctly...
+[22:30] rgardler: In summary...
+[22:30]       xley: phew
+[22:30]   rgardler: when an unversioned plugin is specified it *always* loads from
+[22:31] rgardler: the top level
+[22:31] rgardler: what should happen (above fixme)
+[22:31] rgardler: is that it looks in the highest forrest core version as that will be the
highest dev version
+[22:31] rgardler: Does this make sense?
+[22:32] rgardler: i.e. pluginname-0.2 will look for 0.2 in the correct forrest core directory,
but pluginname will look in the *latest* forrest core regardless of what the user is running
+[22:32] rgardler: (sounds wrong now I write it)
+[22:33]       xley: why don't we have just directories. /0.7/ and /0.8/ and /0.9/
+[22:34]   rgardler: I'm leaning that way now, I'll explain my original thinking
+[22:34] rgardler: But I'll do it in a mail, needs a little thought to get the message across,
+[22:34]       xley: okay.
+[22:36]   rgardler: Wait no need for a mail, it's simpler than I thought...
+[22:36] rgardler: the above fixme is confusing me (I wrote it!)
+[22:36]       xley: even better
+[22:37]   rgardler: Use case: a user wants to have the cutting edge Foo plugin
+[22:37] rgardler: they specifcy o.a.f.p.i.foo in their forest properties (no version number)
+[22:37] rgardler: Since they want to be on the cutting edge they want to know when new features
require an upgrade
+[22:37] rgardler: (of forrest core)
+[22:38] rgardler: so the plugi is downloaded from the top-level (no core version number)
+[22:38] rgardler: If local Forrest install can't run pugin it throws an error asking user
to upgrade core or downgrade plugin version
+[22:38] rgardler: No user can specify a version number (say 0.2)
+[22:39] rgardler: this is deployed in the relevant forrest core folder (say 0.7)
+[22:39] rgardler: OR
+[22:39] rgardler: They continue to specify no number but upgrade to forrest 0.8-dev
+[22:39] rgardler: In other words, the versioned directories contain releases, the top level
contains dev



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