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From diwa...@apache.org
Subject svn commit: r279264 [2/3] - in /forrest/events/forrest-tuesdays: ./ 20050906-log.txt 20050906-summary.txt
Date Wed, 07 Sep 2005 07:27:43 GMT

Added: forrest/events/forrest-tuesdays/20050906-log.txt
URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs/forrest/events/forrest-tuesdays/20050906-log.txt?rev=279264&view=auto
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+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:14:34] Join	You have joined channel #for-s. (n=diwaker@67.188.127.45)
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:14:34] Topic	The channel topic is "ForrestTuesday: XHTML2 core and Jira cleanup".
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:14:34] Topic	Topic was set by xley on 09/05/2005 10:53:08 PM.
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+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:14:40] <diwaker>	hey david
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:14:45] <diwaker>	looks like i'm the first one :-)
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:14:54] <xley>	hi Diwaker, you are
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:15:32] <diwaker>	btw, your mail said irc.freenode.net; i had trouble connecting. i usually connect to irc.freenode.org
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:16:26] <xley>	Mmmm, i connected no trouble form two separate clients. Dunno.
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:17:06] <diwaker>	yeah, no biggie
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:17:30] <diwaker>	i'm not going to be around for most of the time though :( but i'll follow the logs later on
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:20:10] <xley>	how long do you have now, what time is it for you (late at night i suppose)
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:21:05] <xley>	late afternoon for me
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:21:22] <diwaker>	its 11:21pm here (i'm in northern california right now)
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:21:31] <diwaker>	i have maybe 2 hrs at most right now
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:21:58] <diwaker>	and maybe a couple of hours at the end of the 24 hr slot
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:22:05] Join	rgardler has joined this channel. (n=rgardler@ip-213-92-134-135.aramiska-arc.aramiska.net)
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:22:20] <diwaker>	hey ross!
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:22:24] <rgardler>	Hurray, I made it in (never used IRC before!)
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:22:34] <xley>	hi ross
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:22:49] <rgardler>	Hello all, I may come and go I'm on a dodgey wireless connection
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:23:08] <xley>	i am reasonably new to IRC too
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:23:25] <rgardler>	How do I catch up (see logs)?
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:23:49] <xley>	Diwaker an i didn't talk about anything of note yet
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:24:21] <diwaker>	yeah, i walked in like 10 min back
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:24:48] <xley>	i am capturing log and will upload to our "events" SVN from time-to-time
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:25:05] <rgardler>	OK. I'm only here for about 40 mins, so I'm going to skip the pleasantries and get on with some work
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:25:20] <diwaker>	i'm not an IRC expert, but AFAIK you can't go back and look at the logs from your IRC client
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:25:39] <xley>	yes, if your connection stays up
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:26:38] <rgardler>	I thought I would create the internal view plugin and we could start of by doing a simple XHTML2 to HTML conversion using Gavs XHTML2 page. In the meantime we need to think about what the full processing pipeline will look like
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:29:13] <xley>	okay, good first step. I am re-reading your mail yesterday about whether branch or not.
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:29:45] <rgardler>	OK, I'm proceeding, but I will not commit until I get feedback from you and diwaker
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:31:51] <diwaker>	sounds good. if you don't actively hear from me, assume lazy concensus.
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:31:52] Join	x-targe1 has joined this channel. (n=thorsten@d83-180-131-226.cust.tele2.es)
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:32:07] Nick	x-targe1 is now known as thorste1.
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:32:12] <diwaker>	hey thorsten
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:32:26] Nick	thorste1 is now known as thorstenS.
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:32:31] <thorstenS>	hi diwaker
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:32:32] <thorstenS>	:)
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:32:38] <thorstenS>	nice meeting you
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:32:43] <xley>	So ross, how will we give feedback
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:32:47] <thorstenS>	what is it
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:32:53] <thorstenS>	hey all
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:33:05] <xley>	thorstenS: hi, you haven't missed anything
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:33:16] <thorstenS>	jeje
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:33:39] <diwaker>	ross is just getting started on an internal view plugin: "I thought I would create the internal view plugin and we could start of by doing a simple XHTML2 to HTML conversion using Gavs XHTML2 page. In the meantime we need to think about what the full processing pipeline will look like"
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:33:58] <rgardler>	Welcome Thorsten.
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:34:10] <thorstenS>	hi ross
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:34:40] <thorstenS>	the only bummer is that I need to go to work :(
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:34:49] <rgardler>	IAs diwaker said, I'm creating a new plugin as discussed. David is thinking about if it is the right approach, so I'm waiting for feedback on that.
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:35:10] <rgardler>	David - if it is "Go for it" do it here, if it is a discussion I suppose mail is better
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:35:29] <rgardler>	Thorsten - before you go to work can you upload your partially refactored sitemaps for views to an issue for us
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:35:30] <xley>	thorstenS: can you pop in later
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:35:48] <thorstenS>	sure
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:35:57] <thorstenS>	i will be online all day
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:36:22] <thorstenS>	but cannot work 100% on forrest at working hours
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:36:33] <thorstenS>	diwaker btw <!-- Fixes FOR-555. This might not be the best solution though, but it sure works -->
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:36:41] <thorstenS>	that is good as gold :)
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:36:44] <thorstenS>	cheers
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:37:04] <xley>	i meant after work. I hope to stay up late tonight - it is late afternoon here now.
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:37:17] <diwaker>	just trying to learn by example :-)
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:37:27] <thorstenS>	jeje
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:37:35] <thorstenS>	xley of course
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:37:46] <thorstenS>	ross +1 for the plugin
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:38:01] <thorstenS>	I have some code that needs to go in there
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:38:22] <thorstenS>	the new view dispatcher based on the lm
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:38:24] <xley>	ross: we all know that plugins are the way to go, and that starting small is too, so yes.
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:39:17] <rgardler>	Perhaps someone can put this first step on the wiki page so newcomers now where we are at. I'll commit the skeleton plugin now
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:41:19] <rgardler>	See o.a.f.plugin.internal.xhtml2 (in whiteboard)
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:41:38] <thorstenS>	ok
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:41:41] <thorstenS>	svn up
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:41:59] <rgardler>	It doesn't do anything yet, it just has Gavs example page in a samples directory. I'm about to add a pipeline and a very basic stylesheet
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:42:22] <xley>	Ross: you dynamo - creating plugins in between brushing your teeth on the way to work.
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:42:52] <rgardler>	:-))
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:43:23] Join	ipv6guru has joined this channel. (n=ipv6guru@203-59-250-35.dyn.iinet.net.au)
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:44:29] <ipv6guru>	Hi Guys, Gavin here just saying hello for the moment and recording this early conversation while at work.
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:44:53] <thorstenS>	hi gav
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:45:05] <xley>	hi Gavin welcome, you haven't missed much talk
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:45:48] <ipv6guru>	No problem , all familiar names here I see, nice to talk at last.
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:46:06] <rgardler>	Hi Gavin, thanks for your XHTML page, I'm just pressing it into service :-)
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:46:13] Join	cheche has joined this channel. (n=cheche@80.174.108.189)
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:46:13] <xley>	thanks for the xhtml2.xml etc. Good start.
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:46:21] <cheche>	morning!
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:46:29] <xley>	Hola
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:46:46] <ipv6guru>	Needs more work of course, I'll add the rest later on.
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:46:57] <thorstenS>	muy buenas cheche
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:46:58] <cheche>	hola xley!
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:47:06] <cheche>	hey thorstenS!
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:47:14] <rgardler>	Welcome Cheche (hey I even know what Hola means!)
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:47:41] <ipv6guru>	hello cheche, no idea what Hola means but I could guess
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:47:56] <cheche>	hey ross, I though that the only spanish that you know was " dos cervezas por favor" (two beers please...)
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:48:29] <ipv6guru>	Is there a better place for me to send updated xhtml2.xml file now, rather than my site.
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:48:35] <cheche>	ipv6guru: means hello, but I guess that you knew aswell
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:49:25] <cheche>	we could be working over svn right?
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:49:46] <cheche>	I am going to start the bot program...
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:49:46] <rgardler>	Gav: yes, do svn up, you will get a new XHTML2 internal plugin in whiteboard, the file is now in a samples directory in the content (can someone close the issue whie I add this pipeline)
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:50:07] <cheche>	I just need a name for the bot...
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:50:42] <ipv6guru>	ok will do, thanks.
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:51:45] <xley>	cheche: make one up?
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:52:36] <diwaker>	is the bot just for the log? i'll have a full log as well, just in case
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:53:09] <thorstenS>	rgardler I added a locationmap to the plugin
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:53:14] <diwaker>	hola cheche! hey gav
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:53:27] <xley>	yes, we wanted to make sure we have a reliable log. I have a client log too.
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:53:48] <cheche>	diwaker: apparently yes...
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:53:52] Join	forrFerd has joined this channel. (n=forrFerd@a2125962191.net-htp.de)
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:54:14] <ipv6guru>	Hi Diwaker
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:54:44] <cheche>	diwaker: it could be a keeper for the channel....
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:55:04] <rgardler>	Thorsten: thanks, I just discovered the LM was missing and it caused an error - thanks (we need one in the tempalte, anyone care to log an issue for us)
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:55:40] <rgardler>	Hola ferdinand (just showing of my new skills, I can't spell the German :-((
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:55:59] <forrFerd>	morning everybody.
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:56:10] <thorstenS>	ross said "in the tempalte"
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:56:14] <ipv6guru>	Guten Tag, or something like that
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:56:16] <thorstenS>	what do you mean
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:56:18] <diwaker>	hey ferdinand; good to see everyone here... feels like a warm coffee shop now :-)
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:56:29] <diwaker>	guten morgen
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:56:34] <thorstenS>	guten morgeb
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:56:38] <forrFerd>	just read my way into using irc for the first time, so bear with me
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:56:46] <xley>	Good morning Ferdinand
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:56:48] <thorstenS>	diwaker was living in germany for while, right?
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:57:07] 	 * thorstenS is walking the dogs
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:57:12] <diwaker>	yeah -- 3 months interning at univ. of dortmund
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:57:16] <thorstenS>	back in a sec
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:57:24] <rgardler>	Thorsten: I meant "in the plugin template"
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:57:27] <diwaker>	though i just *could not* pick up any german beyond the regular greetings :-(
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:57:30] <thorstenS>	I am coming from Hamm
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:57:38] <thorstenS>	20 Km from dortmund
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:57:55] <diwaker>	thorsten: thats cool
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:58:14] <forrFerd>	... right next to the big nuclear power plant :-)
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:58:36] <thorstenS>	jeje yeah
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:58:59] <forrFerd>	I was born in Dortmund and lived there until I was 12 or so
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:59:06] 	 * thorstenS thinks that explains well the mood swings sometimes ;-)
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:59:07] <ipv6guru>	cheche : Has no-name bot started now
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:59:24] 	 * thorstenS for him
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:59:46] <cheche>	I was looking for a name in the imdb for the forrest gump movie
+[Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:59:56] <rgardler>	ALL: I seem to have broken my Forrest install (was doing some work on integrating blocks yesterday, broken the whole lot now :-(
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:00:02] <forrFerd>	why is thorsten in italics? radiation slant?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:00:57] <thorstenS>	./me
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:01:05] <thorstenS>	without the dot
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:01:11] <thorstenS>	try it ;-)
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:01:24] <thorstenS>	./me doing something
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:01:28] <xley>	cheche: thanks
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:01:35] 	 * thorstenS doing something
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:01:54] <forrFerd>	.trying italics ...
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:02:04] <forrFerd>	./ trying again
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:02:08] <rgardler>	All: My intention with the plugin is that we create a simple transformation from XHTML2 -> HTML as a very simple starting point, we can then think about the full processing pipeline.
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:02:35] <rgardler>	All: (sorry to not be joining in the pleasantries, I have to leave in a few minutes, I will be more relaxed when I come back)
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:03:33] Join	nicolaken has joined this channel. (n=chatzill@host190-154.pool80204.interbusiness.it)
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:03:34] <rgardler>	All: I will add a few notes to the wiki page about what *I* thought we would do, this has not been discussed yet, so it is not meant as a set of instructions, just a suggestion
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:03:52] <diwaker>	greetings nicola
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:03:55] <xley>	Hi nicolaken
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:03:57] <nicolaken>	ciao all
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:04:16] Join	JennyCurran has joined this channel. (n=eggdrop@80.174.108.189)
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:04:18] <forrFerd>	Bon giorno, Nicola
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:04:49] <rgardler>	Hi Nicola
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:04:52] <nicolaken>	I'm at work, so I will not have 100% attention... I may take minutes to respond
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:05:04] <nicolaken>	How unusual of me ;-P
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:05:15] <rgardler>	All: We don't have a wiki page yet, will send a mail to the list
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:05:42] <forrFerd>	I should be working on my long overdue project so I'll probably just drop in and out for some code-free comments :-)
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:07:40] <forrFerd>	Good morning, Jenny, are you a regular on the Forrest-dev list?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:08:12] <cheche>	forrFerd: stop flirking.... she only knows about logging....
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:08:20] <cheche>	is our secretary to keep notes :-)
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:08:53] <forrFerd>	I thought IRC was doing that ....
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:08:59] <xley>	that was funny - ferdinand i almost made the same mistake
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:09:17] <ipv6guru>	cheche :Gary Sinese played Dan Taylor, Tom Hanks played Forrest Gump, dont know the woman lead, dth?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:09:37] <cheche>	ipv6guru: apparenly was the girlfriend...
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:09:44] <cheche>	http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0109830/
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:11:15] <ipv6guru>	Ah, Jenny , ok my bad.
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:11:17] <xley>	forrFerd: IRC does not log - your local client can be set to keep a long if you can maintain the connection. Cheche has a logger robot for us. A few of us have local logs too.
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:11:26] <nicolaken>	I was thinking the other day...
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:11:35] <nicolaken>	it's taking us too long now to go forward
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:11:43] <nicolaken>	and I asked myself... why?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:11:51] <nicolaken>	We have the locationmap
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:11:53] <nicolaken>	views
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:11:57] <nicolaken>	xhtml2
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:12:14] <nicolaken>	it seems we don't understand how to fit them all together
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:12:19] <nicolaken>	conceptually yes, but practically
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:12:24] <nicolaken>	it's a problem.
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:12:28] <nicolaken>	So
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:12:40] <nicolaken>	Since we have legacy stuff lying around
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:12:50] <nicolaken>	I was thinking of starting a partial rewrite
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:12:59] <nicolaken>	- calm down, no sweat -
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:13:14] <nicolaken>	I mean rewriting the pipeline from scratch
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:13:22] <nicolaken>	bit per bit
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:13:26] <nicolaken>	by
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:13:44] <nicolaken>	writing the rules we use as we go along
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:13:56] <nicolaken>	the WD on our site could be a start
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:14:07] <xley>	yeah i understood that from your email. that would be good then we can dump the rest with a sitemap cleanup later
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:14:08] <nicolaken>	that's why we need the xhtml2 document
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:14:19] <nicolaken>	xley: yup
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:14:26] <rgardler>	+1 (see my mail to dev list, just posted) - I have to go out for 6-10 hours - Nicola is clearly thinking the sae way as I am so I'm sure I'll have lots to look at when I come back ;-)
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:14:26] <nicolaken>	so that we can build on that
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:14:46] <nicolaken>	;-) don't swear for it
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:15:24] <nicolaken>	Do we have a document that explains how we want the directory structure to be?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:15:34] <xley>	thanks Ross, i will call in from time-to-time throughout our night.
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:15:35] <nicolaken>	or prior discussion
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:15:49] <rgardler>	See you all soon
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:15:55] <nicolaken>	bye
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:15:57] <ipv6guru>	seeya ross
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:16:13] Quit	rgardler has left this server. ()
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:16:49] <xley>	nicolaken: what directory structure?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:16:58] <nicolaken>	yes, that's the question
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:17:00] <nicolaken>	;-)
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:17:03] <nicolaken>	the site
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:17:21] <xley>	why should it matter?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:17:24] <nicolaken>	ya know ye old content/xdocs/etc
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:17:38] <nicolaken>	because it will be used in the pieline we are going to write
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:17:44] 	 * thorstenS need to go to work now, will be back in ca. 1 hour
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:17:46] <forrFerd>	are you talking about the simplification that we have talked about so often?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:17:46] <nicolaken>	pieline hehehe
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:17:50] <nicolaken>	yes
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:17:56] <thorstenS>	nicolaken yes +1
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:18:05] <thorstenS>	 was thinking of starting a partial rewrite
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:18:11] <forrFerd>	I thought that was topic for the next tuesday?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:18:18] <nicolaken>	anyone has pointers?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:18:57] <forrFerd>	you mean to that discussion?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:19:02] <nicolaken>	ForrFred: need that for the pipeline
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:19:11] <thorstenS>	 In our case an old fashion skin are build by 4 different view helper
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:19:11] <thorstenS>	 (book2menu.xsl, document2html.xsl, site2xhtml.xsl and tab2menu.xsl). In
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:19:11] <thorstenS>	 this different files we have typically non modularized presentation
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:19:11] <thorstenS>	 formatting logic.
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:19:14] <nicolaken>	>ForrFred: yes
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:19:43] <thorstenS>	we need to find a way where we have a certain processing of this 4 stylesheets
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:19:54] <forrFerd>	I'll check my local archives and report back
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:19:56] <thorstenS>	but still be able to override parts of it
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:20:36] <thorstenS>	where book2menu.xsl tells us where we are in the publication context
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:20:57] <xley>	i will be back in 15 minutes
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:21:12] <thorstenS>	tab2menu.xsl is dedicated for navigating the site
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:21:29] <thorstenS>	document2html.xsl is the one we have to start with
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:21:58] <thorstenS>	that is responsible for the transformation internal Format -> xhtml output
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:22:21] <thorstenS>	site2xhtml is done by view and can be ignored for now
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:22:22] <forrFerd>	Diretory cleanup was last discussed in a thread called [RT] Directory structure and configuration
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:22:43] <nicolaken>	forrFred: could you summarize?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:23:23] <forrFerd>	Here is something that I wrote to summarize the state of things
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:23:25] <forrFerd>	Hi Nicola,
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:23:27] <forrFerd>	NKB> Yes, I'm the initial author of that task :-)
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:23:28] <forrFerd>	So is it agreed to implement the new structure like this:
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:23:30] <forrFerd>	> my-project/
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:23:31] <forrFerd>	>            conf/
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:23:34] <forrFerd>	>                 forrest.properties
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:23:35] <forrFerd>	>                 skinconf.xml
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:23:36] <forrFerd>	>                 site.xml
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:23:38] <forrFerd>	>                 tabs.xml
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:23:39] <forrFerd>	>            content/
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:23:41] <forrFerd>	>                 status.xml
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:23:42] <forrFerd>	>                 ** all other content
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:23:44] <forrFerd>	This would be a major improvement and simplification.
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:23:45] <forrFerd>	And while we are at it, how about renaming 'conf' to 'configuration'.
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:23:47] <forrFerd>	Doesn't seem to make a difference performance wise, does it.
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:23:48] <forrFerd>	The same could be applied to
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:23:50] <forrFerd>	    skinfconf.xml => skinconfiguration.xml
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:23:52] <forrFerd>	    site => sitestructure.xml
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:23:53] <forrFerd>	but I'm not sure that this is as easy to implement or up for
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:23:55] <forrFerd>	discussion here.
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:23:56] <forrFerd>	So when can we expect this to be implemented?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:23:58] <forrFerd>	
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:24:00] <forrFerd>	--
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:24:02] <forrFerd>	Ferdinand Soethe
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:24:05] 	 * thorstenS off to work, cu later
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+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:27:16] <forrFerd>	msg ForrFerd test
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:29:38] <forrFerd>	Nicola, is this what you were looking for?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:30:29] <forrFerd>	anybody still out there?
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+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:31:21] <xley>	yes
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:31:26] <cheche>	no nicolaken kill them all :-)
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:32:25] <forrFerd>	How? I don't feel dead yet :-) But Jenny is a bot boaring to chat with ...
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:34:21] <nicolaken>	cheche: hehehe
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:34:44] <nicolaken>	forrFred: would you mind putting the above in teh forrest WD document?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:35:28] <nicolaken>	forrFred: you are correct, it's not up to discussion now, we will use this and eventually discuss it in a later talk
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:35:53] <forrFerd>	no, where can I find it, where should I put it?
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+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:37:59] <nicolaken>	forrest\site-author\content\xdocs\TR\2004\WD-forrest10.html
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:38:11] <nicolaken>	it's in html4
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:38:13] <cheche>	ok JennyCurran has my email address on the info in case people find her in touble...
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:38:36] <cheche>	nicolaken: I think that we should not tallk too much about desing and big plans...
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:38:54] <cheche>	instead small achivement will make people happy that they did not wasted their time
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:39:06] <nicolaken>	cheche: agree
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:39:18] <cheche>	nicolaken: nice...
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:39:21] <forrFerd>	So this would be the proposed structured that I'll put in there, any objections?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:39:22] <forrFerd>	my-project/
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:39:24] <forrFerd>	  configuration/
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:39:25] <forrFerd>	    forrest.properties
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:39:27] <forrFerd>	    skinconfiguration.xml
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:39:28] <forrFerd>	    sitestructure.xml
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:39:30] <forrFerd>	    tabs.xml
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:39:31] <forrFerd>	 content/
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:39:33] <forrFerd>	   status.xml
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:39:34] <forrFerd>	   ** all other content
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:39:41] <nicolaken>	in fact the next thing I intend to do is look at the xhtml2 plugin Ross has, and suggest all to do the same
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:40:01] <nicolaken>	forrFerd: we can change it later, let's start like this
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:40:11] <cheche>	yeah... the xhtml2 is been a lot way in our todo list..
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:40:44] <cheche>	forrFerd: I am -0 on that one...
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:41:09] <cheche>	everytime we modify a name it takes a while to update code and after documentation..
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:43:30] <nicolaken>	cheche: we are doing a rewrite for xhtml2, we need a new layout... now off to look at the plugin - as soon as I have time -
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:45:12] <xley>	cheche: i am worried about the disruption too
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:45:30] <forrFerd>	OK, so I won't put anything in there until ???
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:45:54] <xley>	nicolaken: i am still not clear why we need a "new layout".
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:46:28] <cheche>	yes, I have same concerns... why do we need a "new layout"?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:47:11] <nicolaken>	1- because the current one doesn't scale to multisites
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:47:18] <nicolaken>	2 - because it's convoluted
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:47:21] <cheche>	forrFerd: using skinconf.xml instead of skinconfiguration.xml is not a need, but if you/everyone feel strong that need to be changed. then... go for it
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:47:37] <nicolaken>	3 - becasue we need to know where to get the files without the content/xodcs problems we are having
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:48:05] <nicolaken>	forrFerd: I had your same itch before but I now are back to small names, they are faster to type
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:48:05] <forrFerd>	well we agreed long time ago to have a new simplified layout. So I guess the questions is: do we need it for today, right?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:48:14] <xley>	i know, but i meant: why now, why needed for today;s xhtml2 work
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:48:21] <nicolaken>	just write it, it takes less than discussing it
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:48:23] <nicolaken>	;-)
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:50:11] <forrFerd>	nicolaken: With any smart shell (even MS) you have file name completion so extening a name should not really be an issue, is it?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:51:49] <forrFerd>	nicolaken: Just to be clear: I won't be writing any code or change stuff like that since I don't feel up to it yet.
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:52:28] <forrFerd>	So is there agreement that we need to do that changes today?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:52:48] <ipv6guru>	longer names make it easier to understand for everyone I guess, shortened names less likely to be obvious of their function to users, is this the/a reason
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:55:19] <forrFerd>	ipv6guru: yes, that was the idea behind it. Moderated by the objection (in an earlier thread) that we cannot change names that make the cocoon people not feel at home in forrest anymore.
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:57:52] <ipv6guru>	ok yes, so names can not be completely different, cross-project compatibility to be maintained.
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [01:01:38] <ipv6guru>	During this lull, I take the opportunity to pack up here at work and join again later on when back at home in comfort. Bye for now.
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [01:02:10] <xley>	i too will be back in 30 minutes
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+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [01:07:02] <cheche>	well... probably you would find this funny:
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [01:07:03] <cheche>	http://casa.che-che.com/~bot/forrest/
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [01:10:04] <forrFerd>	cheche: lol
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+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [01:21:45] <target-x>	re
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [01:21:52] 	 * target-x is thorsten
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [01:22:44] <target-x>	hi
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [01:23:08] <target-x>	I had a thought in the car about what nicolaken said
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [01:23:23] <target-x>	rewritting parts of the pipe
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [01:23:37] <target-x>	which wiki do we use?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [01:26:22] <forrFerd>	# /r no wiki, we use the dev list
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [01:27:06] <target-x>	ok
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [01:27:10] <target-x>	cheers
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [01:33:12] Quit	target-x has left this server. (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [01:36:54] <forrFerd>	Hmmm, getting awfully quiet around here. So I'm off to get some work done ...
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [01:37:03] <xley>	see ya later
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+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [01:56:12] Nick	forrFerd is now known as ferdinand.
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [01:56:46] <ferdinand>	ok, just a change of nickname
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+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [01:58:17] <xley>	hi Ron, bit quiet here at the moment,
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [01:58:30] <Ron_>	Hi, yes it is.
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [01:58:32] <xley>	not much happened since Ross' email to dev@
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [01:59:33] <ferdinandS>	and another change of nickname that can be registered
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+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:02:58] <Ron_>	Here's a ticket we might get closed: FOR-547
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:03:03] <ferdinandS_>	 /msg nickserv link ferdinandS 987dsf8fH
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+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:04:14] <Ron_>	Using forrest from within Ant (build.xml) failed, because I used ant-contrib-1.0b1.
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:05:02] <Ron_>	Things work fine with 1.0b2.
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:05:19] <Ron_>	Is it worth a FAQ entry, or should we simply close the ticket?
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+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:09:24] <xley>	reading FOR-547 ... what FAQ are you referring to?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:10:58] <Ron_>	I was thinking about http://forrest.apache.org/docs_0_80/faq.html
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:12:17] <xley>	ah, are you suggesting a new entry in that doc. I thought you refer to existing entry.
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:12:45] <Ron_>	Sorry, should have been more specific.
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:12:56] <xley>	no i misread.
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:14:08] <Ron_>	The situation is somewhat interesting, because most things works fine, except downloading the Forrest plugins.
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:14:24] <xley>	so yes probably would be worth an FAQ.
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:14:32] <Ron_>	It wasn't easy to track this down to ant-contrib.
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:15:44] <Ron_>	So, I'll come up with a few lines, and attach a patch to the issue?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:17:15] <xley>	that would be great.
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+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:22:20] <AnilRamnanan>	Hello everyone.
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:22:22] <ferdinandS>	Welcome Anil, nice to see you join us.
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:22:34] <xley>	yeah great hi Anil
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:22:54] <AnilRamnanan>	thank you. it is good to be here.
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:23:21] <x-targe1>	hi anil
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+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:23:49] <target-x>	sorry my provide makes it hard to stay tuned
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:24:07] <target-x>	I do not know how much of my last messages came through
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:24:27] <target-x>	xley
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:24:47] <xley>	looking back ...
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:25:03] <target-x>	cheers
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:25:17] <target-x>	I got kicked out every minute
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:25:18] <target-x>	:(
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:25:21] <quwiltw>	hi all, are we still trying to tackle the subtasks of FOR-184?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:25:59] <quwiltw>	Looks like 1 is complete enough to get going with 2?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:26:19] <quwiltw>	Is the idea to convert forrest:views to use XHTML2 in place or create a new plugin for that too, or what?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:26:30] <xley>	nothing from T since you said "I had a thought in the car about what nicolaken said" and then discussion about dev list, then "cheers" about 90 minutes ago
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:27:11] <target-x>	ok
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:27:16] <xley>	quwiltw: yes to FOR-184
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:27:27] <xley>	did you see Ross email to dev list?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:28:23] <target-x>	the thought was, that we should be able to request any step of the processing pipeline by itself
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:28:36] <target-x>	not like we have now
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:28:50] <target-x>	book->tab->document->site
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:28:55] <quwiltw>	yes
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:28:59] <target-x>	that is the normal one
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:29:18] <target-x>	but it should be possible to request:
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:29:29] <target-x>	e.g. for index.xml
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:30:01] <target-x>	index.book.xml ->gives the overall menu which is the context of the request
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:30:25] <target-x>	index.tab.xml -> gives the overall navigation context of the request
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:31:07] <target-x>	index.source.xml -> gives the document in our internal format
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:31:44] <target-x>	this three different request should then be agggreated by the last step of the processing
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:32:27] <target-x>	this way we can use dynamic contracts as described in the view termilogy thread to request them in the view
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:32:29] <quwiltw>	so the request index.xml just aggregates the results of the former
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:32:38] <target-x>	yes
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:32:39] <cheche>	why index.tab? it makes more sense to have something like index.nav.xml
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:32:45] <target-x>	+1
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:32:48] <target-x>	cheche
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:33:39] <target-x>	it is kind of what we have now but the currrent situation is too heavily linked to skins
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+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:34:19] <target-x>	the benefit is that each view decides which parts it needs
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:34:30] <target-x>	and can easily override each part
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:34:38] <ipv6guru>	Hi Guys, back again, I guess your all finished and its time for scrabble :)
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:34:42] <cheche>	target-x: I know .. but now that you are implementing new stuff, it make sense to change tab-nav
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:34:54] <target-x>	+1 cheche
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:35:08] <target-x>	what is your idea?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:35:26] <target-x>	uniting menu and tab to nav?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:36:14] <cheche>	well... it is just a though.
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:36:39] <cheche>	a tab is a diferent representation of the possible nodes that a page can access
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:36:45] <cheche>	same as the menu
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:37:06] <target-x>	yes
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:37:25] <target-x>	and is heavily connected to a document rather then a request
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:38:52] <cheche>	the way a see it, is that when you get a request say "/foo"
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:39:22] <cheche>	then you as a webmaster want to get in control of what should be displayed on the tabs and on the menu
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:39:31] <target-x>	yes
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:39:42] <cheche>	which is the navigation that should be displayed
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:39:52] <target-x>	yes
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:39:54] <cheche>	so site.xml is data
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:40:05] <xley>	ipv6guru: Gav do you have log of what we are talking about here
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:40:26] <cheche>	and tabs or menu is just a portion of that
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:41:12] <target-x>	actually menu and tab are just a "view" on certain parts of this navigation
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:41:22] <target-x>	you described
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:41:30] <cheche>	target-x: yes.... but I did not want to say THAT WORD !!!
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:41:35] <cheche>	hahahahahahahhahahah
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:41:37] <target-x>	lol
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:41:59] <target-x>	they are everywhere ;-)
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:43:01] <ipv6guru>	no log no, started again on home computer.
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:43:23] <target-x>	cheche JennyCurran is looging?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:43:26] <xley>	cheche: can we see your logfile in real-time, otherwise i will go add "log until now" to our svn
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:43:30] <cheche>	target-x: yes
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:43:51] <cheche>	xley: give me a sec...
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:43:55] <target-x>	:) you are my hero ;-) muchas gracias illo
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:43:58] <xley>	i mean i would add my local log
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:49:51] <target-x>	coming back to what cheche said
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:50:20] <target-x>	the index.nav.xml is a node document
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:50:52] <target-x>	each node reflects another request that can be made
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:51:13] <target-x>	now thinking in java
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:52:09] <target-x>	each node can be resolved through the index.nav.xml and as well "neighbor" relations
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:52:47] <target-x>	A possible limiter for requesting certain nodes is in my eyes a contract
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:53:26] <target-x>	a contract can requests the whole node list or only parts of this
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:54:03] <target-x>	this requests should be done via cocoon:/ and/or lm:{}
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:54:39] <target-x>	that makes it possible to have project specific implementations of node-limiters (aka menu/tab)
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:55:53] <target-x>	besides it opens the possibility to use e.g. java classes to process this node-limiter
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:56:24] <ferdinandS>	cheche: > so site.xml is data
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:56:25] <ferdinandS>	yes though of a slightly differnt kind then the document itself. It is site-structure data and quite often maintained by different people (editors)
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:57:18] <target-x>	ferdinandS IMO editor are the people providing content
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:57:45] <target-x>	there can be other people that make the collection (aka site.xml)
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:58:08] <target-x>	placing the content in the overall context
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:58:35] <target-x>	I reckon you as book writer have some example
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:58:47] <target-x>	for that
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:59:11] <target-x>	I remember you mentioned something like this at the Con in your presentation
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:03:35] <quwiltw>	i guess i was looking for more concrete todo items such as:
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:03:47] <quwiltw>	1) Enable views in the new plugin?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:03:50] <ferdinandS>	target-x:  A common definition is:
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:03:51] <ferdinandS>	authors or content writers are people who always write the individual pages.
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:03:53] <ferdinandS>	editors (in German Redakteure) are the people who review the content, improve on it and place it somewhere within the documentation.
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:03:55] <ferdinandS>	David quite often takes that editor role when checking and reworking a donated piece of docs, splitting it if needed etc.
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:03:56] <ferdinandS>	Now with small Forrests author and editor may be the same person.
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:04:21] <target-x>	agree
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:04:21] <quwiltw>	2) create a xthml22html.xsl (the stylesheet ross mentioned in his email)
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:04:38] <target-x>	quwiltw start with point 2
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:04:53] <quwiltw>	3) make views work off of #2
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:05:31] <target-x>	if you done ;-) then look in the lm of the new internal.xhtml2 plugin
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:05:32] <xley>	quwiltw: we need to also design the internal pipelines (complex task) which i think is what Thorsten and Cheche started talking about.
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:05:34] <quwiltw>	4) Modify pipeline to allow new fname.*.xml style requests
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:06:21] <target-x>	ferdinandS thanks for that explanation
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:06:38] <quwiltw>	xley: that'll feed my #4 that i just added (shouldn't say modify i suppose)
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:06:38] <cheche>	xley target-x: http://casa.che-che.com/~bot/forrest/forrest.log.06Sep2005
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:06:44] <xley>	yes 2) is good to start. Can google find a generic and basic xhtml2html.xsl ? Would that help?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:07:00] <cheche>	I know that it is possible to create a live log...
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:07:11] <target-x>	quwiltw the lm contains the refactored  view dispatcher that need to be activated
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:07:22] <target-x>	cheche gracias
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:07:24] <target-x>	:)
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:07:34] <xley>	beauty cheche , sorry to drag you off from the discussion but that will be good for later today.
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:08:26] <target-x>	yes beauty
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:08:48] <cheche>	xley that is not a problem.. I know that I had it setup with live html output... but I can not remember how I did it...
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:08:52] <target-x>	quwiltw are you want to work on your point 2.?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:09:30] <quwiltw>	doesn't matter... just woke up really early so i want to do something;)
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:09:40] <quwiltw>	point 2 is as good as any
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:09:47] <target-x>	go for it
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:09:54] <target-x>	it is a basic starting point
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:10:08] <target-x>	we will need your work later on today
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:10:45] <quwiltw>	ok, we'll see how far i get.  i'll have to do "real" work at some point this morning though
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:11:21] <quwiltw>	meanwhile, was #1 not correct?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:12:12] <ipv6guru>	can the xhtml22html.xsl be tested on the xhtml2.xml, want to know if it works ok
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:12:47] <target-x>	#1 is correct if you brave enough ;-)
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:12:58] <xley>	cheche: plain log is fine
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:13:31] <quwiltw>	ipv6: i hope so, that's what i was planning ot use to get something working;)
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:13:45] <target-x>	anyway that is as well determine by discussion of the internal pipes
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:14:22] <target-x>	views will have to adapt then.
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:15:19] <ipv6guru>	quwiltw : cool, I'll keep a close eye on progress, let me know if I can do anything
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:15:35] <quwiltw>	target-x: i'm just talking enabling via forrest.properties.  i'm still not quite sure how this pipeline redesign can be accomplished without a) breaking views  for a little while or b) starting to bring views into core
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:15:39] <ipv6guru>	... and I'll let you know if I can :)
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:17:00] <xley>	ipv6guru: we are doing as we go, not really sure what the actual jobs are.
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:17:12] <target-x>	quwiltw->who are you?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:17:28] <xley>	tim?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:17:35] <target-x>	ah
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:17:36] <target-x>	ok
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:17:41] <target-x>	then do 1
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:17:53] <target-x>	it is just changing some props
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:18:22] <quwiltw>	yes
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:18:27] <ferdinandS>	Back to be doing some work ...
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:18:32] <target-x>	and a) and b) are fine
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:18:36] <quwiltw>	sorry i should have mentioned that
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:18:39] <target-x>	b) is the goal
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:18:45] <target-x>	no worries
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:18:58] <quwiltw>	my x-chat client allows me to right-click and see real names - mine is exposed
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:18:59] <target-x>	just to know whether you have commit access ;-)
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:19:31] <target-x>	jeje
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:19:41] <target-x>	yeah right mine too thx ;-)
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:21:06] <xley>	how will we detect that we have xhtml2 input to deal with? I was expecting to use the SourceTypeAction (like in forrest.xmap) to detect the xhtml2 namespace
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:21:53] <target-x>	quwiltw I have another todo
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:21:54] <target-x>	;-)
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:22:06] <target-x>	SourceTypeAction is not yet working in the lm
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:22:13] <quwiltw>	as long as it's *yours* go ahead;)
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:22:34] <target-x>	the @src is not processed correctly
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:22:36] <target-x>	jeje
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:22:52] <quwiltw>	lm?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:22:58] <target-x>	yes
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:23:04] <target-x>	locationmap
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:23:05] <quwiltw>	umm... that's not good
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:23:12] <quwiltw>	how so
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:23:21] <target-x>	to activate it?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:23:37] <target-x>	1moment
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:23:55] <quwiltw>	google turned up this; might this be used instead as a quickie solution to be potentially redone later?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:24:15] <quwiltw>	http://etherealwake.com/style/xhtml2html.xslt
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:26:14] <target-x>	looks cool
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:26:24] <target-x>	xley can you check the license?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:27:03] <target-x>	quwiltw
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:27:05] <target-x>	Index: org/apache/forrest/locationmap/lm/ActNode.java
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:27:06] <target-x>	===================================================================
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:27:06] <target-x>	--- org/apache/forrest/locationmap/lm/ActNode.java      (revision 278927)
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:27:06] <target-x>	+++ org/apache/forrest/locationmap/lm/ActNode.java      (working copy)
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:27:06] <target-x>	@@ -28,8 +28,11 @@
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:27:06] <target-x>	 import org.apache.avalon.framework.service.ServiceSelector;
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+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:27:11] <quwiltw>	it's still under heavy dev too but might be good to get us kick-started, yeah I'm not good with license
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+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:28:18] <x-targe1>	quwiltw if you want to tackle lm
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:28:24] <quwiltw>	target your last dropped out after the import org.apache.ava... line
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:28:27] <x-targe1>	org/apache/forrest/locationmap/lm/ActNode.java
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:28:34] <x-targe1>	I know
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:28:35] <x-targe1>	:(
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:28:54] <x-targe1>	anyway if you keen to fix it that is where I stoped
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:29:23] <x-targe1>	I think it breaks actions because it now expects a @src
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:29:33] <x-targe1>	I can check it in
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:29:37] <quwiltw>	ok
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:29:38] <x-targe1>	if you want
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:29:39] <x-targe1>	;-)
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:29:45] <x-targe1>	ok will do
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:30:31] <quwiltw>	what will repeat the problem?  our new plugin locationmap.xml?
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+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:30:59] <x-targe1>	yeah
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+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:34:35] <xley>	quwiltw: the license is okay for that XSLT etherealwake.com
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:35:12] <quwiltw>	shucks, that was easy... next...
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:41:19] <ipv6guru>	that sxlt, not checked but will it handle new xhtml2 elements
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:41:53] <ipv6guru>	back in 10
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+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:43:07] <x-targe1>	(12:39:12) x-targe1: quwiltw
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:43:07] <x-targe1>	(12:39:26) x-targe1: it is cheched in
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:43:07] <x-targe1>	(12:39:37) x-targe1: I will be silent for a while
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:43:08] <x-targe1>	(12:39:46) x-targe1: need to finish some work first
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:43:08] <x-targe1>	(12:39:58) x-targe1: scream if you need help ;-)
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:43:08] <x-targe1>	(12:41:03) x-targe1: arg
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:43:10] <x-targe1>	(12:41:05) x-targe1: wait
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:43:17] Nick	x-targe1 is now known as target-x.
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:43:25] <xley>	dinner time: me too back soon
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:43:34] <quwiltw>	ok
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:43:43] <quwiltw>	almost breakfast time....
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:43:46] <target-x>	:)
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:43:57] <target-x>	i fixed my last commit
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:44:13] <target-x>	now you are good to go
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:44:32] <target-x>	I have problems with my provider like you can see from the log
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:44:54] <target-x>	:(
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:45:08] 	 * target-x now doing some work
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+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:56:52] <quwiltw>	i should have known it wouldn't have been that easy
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:57:26] <quwiltw>	that transform expects xhtml namespaces, should we have an xhtml namespace on our sample doc?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:58:25] <quwiltw>	<xhtml:html><xhtml:head>... etc. ?
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+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:59:31] <x-targe1>	hi gregor
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:59:39] Nick	x-targe1 is now known as target-x.
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:59:43] <quwiltw>	target-x: did you see my last question?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [03:59:59] <target-x>	no
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:00:10] <target-x>	i got kicked out again :(
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:00:28] <quwiltw>	that transform expects xhtml namespaces, should we have an xhtml namespace on our sample doc?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:00:40] <quwiltw>	<xhtml:html><xhtml:head>... etc. ?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:01:16] <target-x>	moment
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:01:19] <target-x>	I think no
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:01:29] <target-x>	you mean for the sourcetypeaction?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:01:41] <target-x>	or the transformer?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:01:58] <quwiltw>	the transformer
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:02:27] <target-x>	Use standard namespaces
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:02:34] <target-x>	xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2002/06/xhtml2"
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:02:39] <target-x>	in the sample doc
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:02:55] <target-x>	that should do the trick
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:04:06] <quwiltw>	that's what's there.  the stylesheet that i found matches based on a xhtml namespace -- i'll change the stylesheet for now but this is a really temporary solution
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:04:33] <target-x>	hm
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:04:36] <target-x>	gregor
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:04:45] <target-x>	are you listening
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:05:22] <target-x>	I saw that quwiltw
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:06:01] <target-x>	mabe we should change the xsl instead?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:06:04] <target-x>	wdyt?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:06:30] <quwiltw>	yeah that's what i was trying to say... i'll change the xslt for now
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:06:47] <target-x>	ok
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:07:18] <target-x>	I was hoping that gregor knew a smarter solution
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:07:27] <target-x>	he is an expert on that
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:07:54] <gregor>	yes
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:07:59] <target-x>	jeje
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:08:09] <target-x>	http://etherealwake.com/style/xhtml2html.xslt
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:08:23] <target-x>	uses standard xhtml:bla to match
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:08:48] <target-x>	we just declared xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2002/06/xhtml2" in our sample doc
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:08:53] <target-x>	that is not matching
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:09:05] <target-x>	are there a smart workaround
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:09:08] <target-x>	?
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+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:09:57] <gregor>	you could additionally bind it to the default ns in the xsl
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:10:07] <target-x>	how?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:10:22] <gregor>	add  xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2002/06/xhtml2" at the top
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:10:28] <target-x>	ok
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:10:40] <target-x>	quwiltw did you copy?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:10:47] <target-x>	thanks gregor :)
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:11:03] <gregor>	well, lets see if it works :) ns can be a bitch
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:11:04] <quwiltw>	yep, trying it now thanks
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:12:29] <gregor>	that stylesheet also claims to emit xhtml 1.0 but emits html 4 actually
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:12:57] <target-x>	:) you are the ns wiz ;-)
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:13:20] <gregor>	unless this is the last stylesheet in the transform chain, not so good: <xsl:output method="html"
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:13:59] <gregor>	presumably the html 4 step is done by the serializer, yes?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:14:20] <target-x>	ye
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:14:30] <target-x>	we need to strip that
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+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:29:30] <ipv6guru>	did my .css question get through before my cut-off ?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:32:09] <target-x>	no
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:35:15] <ipv6guru>	Ok, the xample xhtml.sml points to w3.org's stylesheet of xhtml2.css, do we use this and alter it or create new one?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:36:25] <ipv6guru>	Another question, the xhtml2html.xslt seems to be for xhtml 1 and 1.1 , I see no new xhtml2 elements in there, such as <seperator /> and others.
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:37:39] <ipv6guru>	such as <h> and <l>
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:37:59] <ipv6guru>	maybe I'm just being thick and its done another way
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:38:44] <target-x>	13:12:30) gregor: that stylesheet also claims to emit xhtml 1.0 but emits html 4 actually
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:38:54] <ipv6guru>	xample xhtml.sml == sample xhtml.xml
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:39:10] <target-x>	Ok, the xample xhtml.sml points to w3.org's stylesheet of xhtml2.css, do we use this and alter it or create new one?-> we do not need css for that
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:40:13] <ipv6guru>	ok
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:40:38] <target-x>	it is our internal format
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:40:40] <quwiltw>	ipv6: where is document, header, abstract coming from?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:40:44] <target-x>	css is theming
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:41:32] <quwiltw>	should it be:
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:41:37] <quwiltw>	document->html
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:41:43] <quwiltw>	header->head
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:41:43] <quwiltw>	?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:44:22] <ipv6guru>	I changed the content from  an index.xml file
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:45:49] <quwiltw>	so they should be changed, right?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:47:09] <nicolaken>	pleeeeeeease log in with a nickname I can understand, like the email name... I just came back to take a peek and I don't understand a thing! :-P
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:47:44] <target-x>	who are you talking about
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:47:51] <ipv6guru>	I would say so yes, in the index.xml when that is transformed into index.html I thought they were converted too.
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:48:14] <nicolaken>	target-x: everyone!
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:48:15] Nick	ipv6guru is now known as Gav.
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:48:20] <nicolaken>	:-)
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:49:16] <Gav>	nicolaken : Not that my name would mean anything, but is changed.
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:49:47] <target-x>	hmm
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:49:58] <target-x>	I am always traget something
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:50:10] Nick	target-x is now known as thorste1.
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:50:20] <quwiltw>	how ?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:50:22] <thorste1>	now you know why
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:50:34] <thorste1>	./nick bla
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+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:50:38] <thorste1>	wihtout dot
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+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:52:30] <tscherler>	hi david aka dee_23
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:53:12] <dee_23>	hi thorsten
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+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:54:00] <crossley>	nicolaken: good point
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+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:54:58] <Gav>	so is "  <?xml-stylesheet type="text/css"
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:54:59] <Gav>	                    href="http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/style/xhtml2.css"?>
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:55:27] <Gav>	being removed from xhtml2.xml
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:55:33] <tscherler>	yes
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:55:39] <tscherler>	that is obsolet
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:55:40] <crossley>	Cocoon doesn't use it
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:55:51] <crossley>	nor xml:output
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:56:09] <tscherler>	the other thing it is our internal format
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:56:09] <crossley>	xsl:output
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:56:27] <twilliams_>	REGISTER twilliams_
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:56:57] <crossley>	yes, internal, but even with xhtml2 as input not used
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:57:00] <tscherler>	twilliams_ you forgot /msg NickServ
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:57:52] <Gav>	ok, so wheres the css styling being done, do you have a location.
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:57:58] <twilliams_>	thanks, my irc skills are very poor obviously
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:58:16] <tscherler>	no worries I am still learning as well
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [04:58:34] <Gav>	twilliams_ -> I cheat, I got widgets on my mIRC client
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+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:10:30] <Gav>	what namespace and schema location is being used?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:17:08] <twilliams_>	i assume what you've got in the sample file
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:17:38] <crossley>	me too, i have that enabled in my local copy for my experiements
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:18:37] <twilliams_>	i'm having no luck with that xslt .. i'll give it a few more minutes and then start on our own
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:18:58] <twilliams_>	using document2html as a model
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:19:50] <Gav>	Ok, thats fine, I was assuming they would need changing sometime, I thought relaxNG was being used, this is different to w3.org schema
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:20:40] <crossley>	twilliams: okay, i am just starting to try the etherealwake xslt
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:21:25] <crossley>	Gav: we will be using RNG in the core. Did you see my commits of the "validation" transformer today?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:22:18] <twilliams_>	has anyone validated our sample doc against RNG in appendix B?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:22:37] <crossley>	i have removed the document type declaration from your xhtml2_subset.xml
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:22:54] <crossley>	twilliams: that is something that i want to do today.
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:24:03] <twilliams_>	you commiting the sample sans dtd decl?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:24:10] <Gav>	crossley : I see it now, thanks.
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:25:38] <Gav>	I think Ross renamed it for the whiteboard, is this its new name now
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:25:44] <crossley>	twilliams: not yet, i am in the middle of trying various things.
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:25:51] <crossley>	Gav: yes
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+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:30:54] <crossley>	still here?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:31:40] <Gav>	wow, 7 of you quit in one go
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:32:07] <Gav>	all back again by the looks of it
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:34:09] <tscherler>	somebody pulled the plug ;-)
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:34:35] <Gav>	that cable under the atlantic I bet
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:35:59] <Gav>	so are new <xsl:template match=" xxx "> required for new xhtml2 elements or not?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:38:45] <crossley>	see twilliams comments about 20 minutes ago
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:41:01] <twilliams_>	crossley: you have any luck with this ethereal xsl?  I'm fed up and ready to go it alone.  I should be able to very quickly get something that is usable.  We can work on completeness later, wdyt?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:41:58] <crossley>	yes good do that. I am not sure what your problem is with the ethereal xsl? Can you briefly explain?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:43:16] <twilliams_>	it's apparently not matching anything... it basically just removes all tags and sends everything out as text
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:43:36] <crossley>	ah yeah, that is what i am seeing too.
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:44:48] <twilliams_>	it's probably something simple but i think i'd rather get something simple working than to find a bug in a stylesheet that will only be temporary anyway
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:45:05] <tscherler>	lemme have a look
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:47:06] <tscherler>	one question
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:47:19] <tscherler>	do you see Id: xhtml2html.xslt 127 2004-11-14 03:06:21Z etherealwake $
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:47:29] <tscherler>	as comment in your output?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:48:12] <twilliams_>	no that's not even coming through.
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:48:18] <tscherler>	hmm
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:48:27] <twilliams_>	i added a root match to no avail either
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:49:08] <tscherler>	that means that the <xsl:template match="xhtml:html"> does not match
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:49:31] <tscherler>	even with <xsl:template match="/"> it is not working?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:49:39] <twilliams_>	right
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:49:57] <tscherler>	just wait to get it straight
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:50:11] <tscherler>	please add:
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:50:31] <tscherler>	<xsl:template match="/">grr</xsl:template>
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:50:42] <tscherler>	does this come through?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:50:48] <twilliams_>	sorry, should have clarified, that will come through
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:50:56] <tscherler>	ah ok
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:51:01] <twilliams_>	...although i did HELLO WORLD instead of grr
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:51:07] <tscherler>	jeje
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:51:24] <twilliams_>	i added an apply templates from there so that i knew I was getting through but nothing
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:51:54] <tscherler>	then the  <xsl:template match="xhtml:head"> stuff get not matched
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:52:07] <twilliams_>	nope
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:52:12] <tscherler>	is your local copy the same as in trunk?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:52:14] <twilliams_>	even with gregor's suggestion
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:52:21] <twilliams_>	the stylesheet?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:52:25] <tscherler>	no
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:52:26] <twilliams_>	it's not in trunk
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:52:32] <tscherler>	the base doc
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:52:37] <tscherler>	example
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:53:02] <twilliams_>	pretty much.  i removed the doctype decl and uncommented the schema.  other than that it's the same
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:53:27] <twilliams_>	i've tried it with and without doctype though -- that's just how mine happens to look at them moment
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:54:26] <tscherler>	wait I think i know what is goin on
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:54:58] <tscherler>	http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/forrest/trunk/whiteboard/plugins/org.apache.forrest.plugin.internal.xhtml2/src/documentation/content/xdocs/samples/xhtml2_subset.xml?r1=278982&r2=278983&rev=278983&view=diff&diff_format=l
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:55:17] <tscherler>	if the namespace is not declared in the root element it cannot work
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:55:27] <tscherler>	<html>
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:55:31] <tscherler>	should be
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:55:40] <tscherler>	<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2002/06/xhtml2/">
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:55:51] <crossley>	i have the namespace exposed in my local copy and still no good.
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:55:59] <tscherler>	hmm
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:56:13] <tscherler>	yes
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:56:16] <twilliams_>	right, i'm using that commented out html root w/namespace
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:56:16] <tscherler>	sure
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:56:21] <tscherler>	because:
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:56:35] <tscherler>	<xsl:template match="xhtml:head">
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:56:46] <tscherler>	xhtml instead of html
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:56:53] <tscherler>	that is not the same
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:56:59] <tscherler>	try a small hack
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:57:17] <tscherler>	change <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2002/06/xhtml2/">
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:57:22] <tscherler>	to
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:57:30] <tscherler>	<xhtml xmlns
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:57:40] <tscherler>	="bla"
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:57:46] <tscherler>	and try again
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:58:47] <twilliams_>	no luck here, that xhtml is for the namespace not the root element though, correct?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:59:05] <tscherler>	yes and no
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:59:20] <tscherler>	if you do the gregor head on the xsl
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:59:29] <tscherler>	declaring a default namespace
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [05:59:50] <twilliams_>	yes i did that
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:00:00] <tscherler>	then the root element of the default namespace is the prefix
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:00:11] <tscherler>	which is in our case html
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:00:43] <tscherler>	now changing the sample docs root element to xhtml ...
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:00:55] <tscherler>	should work
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:03:04] <crossley>	but "The <html> element is the root element for all XHTML Family Document Types."
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:03:29] <twilliams_>	"should work"... ;)
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:03:37] <tscherler>	yes, that why I said a smal hack
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:03:43] <crossley>	ah
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:03:44] <tscherler>	;-)
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:04:03] <tscherler>	...I guess it does not?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:04:57] <crossley>	twilliams: getting close to your suggestion to dump it and start our own. Gav might be able to help with that.
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:05:23] <tscherler>	just search and replace xhtml:
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:05:29] <tscherler>	with nothing
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:06:25] <twilliams_>	that causes negative progress;)
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:06:31] <twilliams_>	not even the text comes out now
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:06:41] <tscherler>	hmm
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:07:27] <twilliams_>	if someone wants to pick this ethereal thing up then they can.  I'm ready to just get something simple working for now so that we can later get to proving out the pipelines, etc.
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:07:27] <tscherler>	<xsl:stylesheet version="1.0"  xmlns:xsl="http://www.w3.org/1999/XSL/Transform"   xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2002/06/xhtml2">
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:07:57] <tscherler>	and xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2002/06/xhtml2">
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:08:06] <tscherler>	does not work after stripping?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:08:08] <twilliams_>	yah, though i had them reversed
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:10:43] <Gav>	what about : <?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:10:43] <Gav>	<xsl:stylesheet version="1.0" exclude-result-prefixes="xhtml"
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:10:43] <Gav>	  xmlns:xsl="http://www.w3.org/1999/XSL/Transform"
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:10:43] <Gav>	  xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:10:43] <Gav>	  xmlns:xhtml="http://www.w3.org/2002/06/xhtml2">
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:11:19] <Gav>	ignore first line, thats obvious
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:11:37] <tscherler>	get rid of all the "exclude-result-prefixes" and stuff
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:22:14] <Gav>	was exclude-result-prefixes taken out of the xslt file too then
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:23:34] <twilliams_>	that's where he was suggesting removing it i believe
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:24:26] <tscherler>	one more shoot in the dark
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:24:28] <tscherler>	<xsl:template match="html">
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:24:28] <tscherler>	   <xsl:comment> Hello world </xsl:comment>
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:24:28] <tscherler>	   <html>
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:24:28] <tscherler>	<xsl:copy-of select="."/>
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:24:28] <tscherler>	   </html>
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:24:28] <tscherler>	  </xsl:template>
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:24:40] <tscherler>	what gives that?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:24:52] <tscherler>	adding it to the stylesheet
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:25:05] <tscherler>	and yes Gav twilliams is right
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:26:19] <tscherler>	of course having
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:26:21] <tscherler>	<xsl:template match="/">
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:26:21] <tscherler>	 <xsl:apply-templates/>
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:26:21] <tscherler>	</xsl:template>
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:26:26] <tscherler>	in it as well
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:27:01] <tscherler>	I wish I would have time. *grr*
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+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:31:49] <twilliams_>	dropped off, did you have any other ideas after that copy-of?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:33:20] <tscherler>	ok
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:33:30] <tscherler>	then th html stuff get matched
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:33:32] <tscherler>	now try
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:33:47] <tscherler>	dropped off ->means working, or not?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:34:26] <twilliams_>	ooops... "dropped off" means that i dropped off the IRC channel - network issue at my house;)
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:34:48] <tscherler>	ok
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:34:53] <twilliams_>	actually I had changed the match="html" to be match="/" that's how i got that to match
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:34:55] <tscherler>	yeah sorry I saw
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:35:04] <tscherler>	hmm
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:35:12] <tscherler>	try both
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:35:18] <tscherler>	(15:26:21) tscherler: <xsl:template match="/">
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:35:18] <tscherler>	(15:26:21) tscherler:  <xsl:apply-templates/>
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:35:18] <tscherler>	(15:26:21) tscherler: </xsl:template>
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:35:30] <tscherler>	and then the match="html"
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:35:46] <tscherler>	I want to see what happends
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:35:52] <twilliams_>	tried that, nothing beyond root "/" will match
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:36:06] <crossley>	tscherler: i tried your two suggestions but still getting the same - only plain text output
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:36:08] <tscherler>	and match="html:hmtl"
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:36:14] <tscherler>	grr
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:36:25] <tscherler>	with html: declared?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:36:32] <tscherler>	as xhtml2?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:36:36] <twilliams_>	i thought it might be a namespace mismatch since i notice that there is a trailing slash on our xml file's namespace but i fixed that with no success
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:36:49] <tscherler>	it is ns
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:36:55] <tscherler>	that is for sure
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:37:22] <twilliams_>	no namespaces, both default namespace for the xml and xsl are the same now so no need for it in the match's
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:37:45] <twilliams_>	i've still got your find-n-replace xhtml: w/ "" from before
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:38:50] <tscherler>	ah
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:39:14] <tscherler>	still give it a go please
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:40:43] <twilliams_>	ok no luck
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:41:39] <tscherler>	then I would say screw it ;-)
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:41:54] <tscherler>	and do let us do it ourself
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:42:17] <tscherler>	you can use the templates and change them as we need
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:42:19] <tscherler>	wdyt?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:42:41] <tscherler>	twilliams
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:42:54] <tscherler>	you said the copy-of worked right?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:42:55] <twilliams_>	i'd prefer to just remove it from my system, start with document2html as a model and completely role our own
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:43:20] <twilliams_>	so that we don't need to keep his license around
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:43:35] <twilliams_>	yes, on a match="/"
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:43:48] <tscherler>	parse me the first 3 lines please
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:44:09] <twilliams_>	huh?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:44:36] <tscherler>	of the output
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:44:45] <tscherler>	here in this irc
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:45:12] <twilliams_>	ok
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:45:13] <twilliams_>	<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:45:13] <twilliams_>	<!-- $Id: xhtml2html.xslt 127 2004-11-14 03:06:21Z etherealwake $ -->
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:45:13] <twilliams_>	<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2002/06/xhtml2" xmlns:html="http://www.w3.org/2002/06/xhtml2">
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:45:50] <tscherler>	and your template
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:46:05] <twilliams_>	  <xsl:template match="/">
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:46:06] <twilliams_>	   <xsl:comment> $Id: xhtml2html.xslt 127 2004-11-14 03:06:21Z etherealwake $ </xsl:comment>
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:46:06] <twilliams_>	   <html>
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:46:06] <twilliams_>	    <xsl:copy-of select="."/>
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:46:06] <twilliams_>	   </html>
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:46:06] <twilliams_>	  </xsl:template>
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:46:28] <tscherler>	ok the 5 lines of the output
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:46:59] <twilliams_>	  Do we need to incorporate this somewhere ?-->
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:46:59] <twilliams_>	<html xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" xml:lang="en" xsi:schemaLocation="http://www.w3.org/2002/06/xhtml2/                           http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/SCHEMA/xhtml2.xsd">
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:46:59] <twilliams_>	  <head>
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:47:00] <twilliams_>	    <title>XHTML 2 Template Page</title>
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:47:00] <twilliams_>	    <meta property="abstract">A document detailing (almost) all of the existing and new xhtml2 elements.</meta>
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:47:02] <twilliams_>	  </head>
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:47:11] <twilliams_>	skipping the licensing stuff in the source file
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:47:16] <twilliams_>	that also came through
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:47:27] <tscherler>	ah
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:51:12] <tscherler>	ok then i made a mistake
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:51:59] <tscherler>	<xsl:template match="head">bla</xsl:template>
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:52:25] <tscherler>	or <xsl:template match="html:head">bla</xsl:template>
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:53:03] <tscherler>	and instead of  <xsl:copy-of select="."/> use <xsl:apply-templates />
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:53:37] <twilliams_>	now we're getting somewhere
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:53:48] <twilliams_>	...not completely sure where... but somewhere;)
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:53:53] <tscherler>	jeje
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:54:01] <tscherler>	I hope not a deadend ;-)
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:54:12] <tscherler>	which one match?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:54:21] <tscherler>	better ask does it match?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:55:33] <twilliams_>	match="html:head" matches
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:55:45] <tscherler>	ok
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:56:11] <twilliams_>	now i'll go back to the original xsl and do a find/replace xhtml: with html: and it should work
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:56:19] <tscherler>	+1
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:56:20] <tscherler>	:)
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:56:29] <twilliams_>	my progress will be slowed for a few with crying baby;(
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [06:56:29] <tscherler>	thanks for being so patient
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [07:00:49] <twilliams_>	success.... finally... thanks much
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [07:01:00] <tscherler>	to you
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [07:01:01] <tscherler>	:)
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [07:01:11] <tscherler>	good to hear
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [07:03:06] <twilliams_>	is there anything special i need to do when checking in stuff like this that's under a different license?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [07:03:17] <crossley>	no
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [07:04:02] <crossley>	read the license, it is fine ... there are no conditions that go beyond the Apache License
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [07:04:49] <crossley>	perhaps say where it came from in the 'svn log' or add a comment to the actual file.
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [07:05:28] <twilliams_>	ok, i just didn't know if we keep a central pointer to anything not ASF2.0 licensed or not
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+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [07:06:40] <crossley>	no we don't. With jars we put a license, next to the jar with the same filename.
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+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [07:08:31] <crossley>	with this, we meet the three conditions just by leaving the license header in place
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+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [07:09:55] <twilliams_>	ok thanks
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+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [07:14:48] <twilliams_>	what's a URL to exercise the locationmap problem?  (e.g. http://localhost:8888/someurl)  I saw your pipe commit but don't know how to request it
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [07:15:05] <tscherler>	wait
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+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [07:24:59] <tscherler>	getView-index
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [07:25:12] <tscherler>	 http://localhost:8888/getView-index
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [07:25:59] <tscherler>	twilliams
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [07:26:20] <tscherler>	you need to change the generator
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [07:26:45] <tscherler>	<map:generate src="{lm:getView/{1}}" />
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [07:27:01] <twilliams_>	ok, i get a cocoon not found error on that
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [07:27:22] <tscherler>	(16:26:51) tscherler: <map:generate src="{lm:getView/{1}}" />->on that?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [07:28:24] <twilliams_>	nope, mine had lm:views{1} instead of getView, i'll redeploy and try again
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [07:28:42] <tscherler>	yeah
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [07:28:45] <tscherler>	my fault
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [07:28:49] <tscherler>	I just saw
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [07:28:52] <tscherler>	sorry
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+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [07:31:49] <twilliams_>	still a resource not found error, what was the error message you got?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [07:33:00] <twilliams_>	nevermind, i see it in the log file
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [07:35:07] <tscherler>	ähm
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [07:35:16] <tscherler>	depends on how you try it
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [07:35:29] <tscherler>	are you doing forrest run in the new plugin?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [07:35:39] <twilliams_>	yes
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [07:36:57] <tscherler>	hmm wiered
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [07:38:19] <twilliams_>	i see the src attribute error in the log file; just a resource not found to the browser
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [07:38:29] <twilliams_>	were you getting a more meaningful error to the browser?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [07:39:22] <twilliams_>	  Either way, you're passing an empty source string to the SourceTypeAction and it don't like that.  I'll try to see what the SourceTypeAction is looking for in that parameter and see if I can figure out how to get it what it wants
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [07:39:42] <twilliams_>	ActNode line114
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+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [07:41:39] Nick	tscherler is now known as tscherler_eating.
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [07:42:13] <twilliams_>	i think tscherler is having too much fun with this nick renaming thing;)
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [07:42:15] <tscherler_eating>	I normally use eclipse
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [07:42:36] <tscherler_eating>	no actually I have not eaten jet
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [07:42:42] <tscherler_eating>	I am starving marvin
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [07:42:53] <tscherler_eating>	;-)
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [07:43:15] <twilliams_>	wow, i'm surprised that phrase is international
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [07:43:18] <tscherler_eating>	I start forrest in debug mode and then connect with eclipse in debbug mode
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [07:43:36] <tscherler_eating>	(16:43:22) twilliams_: wow, i'm surprised that phrase is international-> too much South park
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [07:43:41] <tscherler_eating>	I am big fan ;-)
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [07:43:51] <twilliams_>	ahh...
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [07:44:05] <tscherler_eating>	ok
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [07:44:17] <tscherler_eating>	I will be afk for eat
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [07:45:19] <twilliams_>	yeah, i haven't gotten into eclipse -- too steep a learning curve for me i suppose.  it's almost like one has to "think eclipse" before they "get it" -- not so different than Cocoon i suppose
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [07:46:19] <crossley>	tim i see your commit of xhtml2html.xsl has changed some stuff in the stylesheet. Probably should commit the original, then make the changes.
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [07:47:12] <tscherler_eating>	dude tim
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [07:47:13] <twilliams_>	yep, didn't even think about that, sorry... i don't know how to revert an add though
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [07:47:43] <tscherler_eating>	 <location src="{project:theme-sourcetypeDir}{sourcetype}{project:theme-ext}" />
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [07:47:58] <tscherler_eating>	does that exist in your project?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [07:48:19] <tscherler_eating>	I am unsure whether I as well commited {project:theme-sourcetypeDir}
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [07:48:24] <tscherler_eating>	moment
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [07:48:30] <twilliams_>	yes i've got that one
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [07:49:29] <tscherler_eating>	hmm
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [07:49:33] <tscherler_eating>	how come?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [07:49:42] <tscherler_eating>	i have not committ it ;-)
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [07:50:22] <twilliams_>	a little frightening i must admin... but it's there with a "Sourcetype-based" comment above it
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [07:50:43] <crossley>	twilliams: 'svn delete; svn add'  i wonder.
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [07:52:51] <crossley>	suppose it doesn't matter too much if it is temporary and we are going to remove it.
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [07:53:13] <tscherler_eating>	twilliams I commited that
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [07:53:18] <tscherler_eating>	now I am off eating
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [07:54:39] <crossley>	i have some RELAX NG validation happening now locally, using xmllint
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [07:55:24] <crossley>	our samples/xhtml2_subset.html almost gets there
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [07:57:13] <Gav>	I spotted errors , <seperator /> should be <separator />
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [07:57:33] <tscherler_eating>	@all svn up
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [07:57:51] <tscherler_eating>	I checked in other stuff that was sitting on my hard drive
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [08:01:44] <crossley>	Gav: i needed to remove the trailing slash from xmlns attribute on <html> element
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [08:03:55] <Gav>	yep, I see it, thanks
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [08:05:44] <crossley>	i will fix the file in svn whiteboard/plugins/org.apache.forrest.plugin.internal.xhtml2/src/documentation/content/xdocs/samples/xhtml_subset.xml
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [08:07:21] <Gav>	I have to go, back in 6 hours, will this still be going on then?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [08:08:13] <Gav>	crossley : can you replace the <separator /> error while your there
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [08:08:40] <crossley>	Dunno, hope so. The day is twenty-four hours. I am going to bed soon and will check in tomorrow morning
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [08:08:49] <crossley>	yes Gav will do.
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [08:08:59] <Gav>	ok cheers
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+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [08:09:25] <crossley>	see ya
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [08:09:30] <Gav->	cya
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+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [09:06:12] <nicolaken>	exit
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [09:06:18] <nicolaken>	me goes
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [09:06:24] <nicolaken>	bye
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [09:06:26] <nicolaken>	cia
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [09:06:27] <nicolaken>	o
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [09:06:29] <nicolaken>	o
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+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [09:13:28] <twilliams_>	did you crreate nodes for sourcetype and document-declaration?  or how ido they get to the SourceTypeAction?
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [09:18:19] <target>	(18:13:35) twilliams_: did you crreate nodes for sourcetype and document-declaration?  or how ido they get to the SourceTypeAction?->me, hmm
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [09:18:33] <target>	I cannot remember
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [09:19:01] <target>	what does a svn blame say?
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+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [09:23:40] <twilliams_>	i don't see nodes for them (e.g. SourceTypeNode, DocumentDeclarationNode but didn't know if you just hadn't checked them in yet.
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [09:24:17] <tscherler>	hmm
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [09:24:26] <tscherler>	I check all my java stuff
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [09:24:28] <tscherler>	in
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [09:24:39] <tscherler>	that is matbe the bug ;-)
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [09:25:10] <twilliams_>	bug?  beast maybe;)
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [09:25:15] <tscherler>	jeje
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [09:25:43] <tscherler>	btw you get the hack crown for the first tuesday
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [09:26:01] <twilliams_>	AFAIK you get nothing for free with locationmaps.  syntax mimics sitemap but grammar has to be implemented
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [09:26:19] <tscherler>	yeah
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [09:26:29] <tscherler>	that kind of sucks
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [09:26:36] <twilliams_>	a crown for chasing my tail?  wow
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [09:27:05] <tscherler>	because we ending up to imitate all the grammars
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [09:27:19] <tscherler>	I had two time implementations
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [09:27:22] <twilliams_>	yeah, i suggested a while back that we should implement locationmap as a formal language just like sitemap so that it's known how to expand it
+[Tue Sep 6 2005] [09:27:44] <twilliams_>	but folks didn't think it'd grow that much

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