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From "Gavin" <ga...@16degrees.com.au>
Subject RE: recent CSS changes side-effect (Was: svn commit: r733561)
Date Tue, 13 Jan 2009 00:38:10 GMT


> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Crossley [mailto:crossley@apache.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, 13 January 2009 10:09 AM
> To: dev@forrest.apache.org
> Subject: Re: recent CSS changes side-effect (Was: svn commit: r733561)
> 
> Gavin wrote:
> > From: David Crossley
> > >
> forrest/trunk/whiteboard/plugins/org.apache.forrest.themes.core/themes/pel
> > > t/css/pelt.screen.css Sun Jan 11 17:03:05 2009
> > > > @@ -210,6 +210,7 @@
> > > >      padding-left: 10px;
> > > >      margin: 0;
> > > >      list-style: none;
> > > > +    padding-top:18px;
> > > >  }
> > >
> > > Why introduce this big gap at the top of the left-hand menu
> > > for all pages?
> >
> > Hmm, any chance of a screenshot?
> 
> It can be seen at http://forrest.zones.apache.org/ft/build/forrest-sample-
> 2/
> i.e. the Dispatcher-based site.

Yes I've been testing and comparing using that site all along. Considering
that I'm trying to accomplish cross-browser and cross-platform fix for the
initial problems, what you see and what I see could have been very different
things, hence my request for a screenshot from you.

However, that said, I now get your talking about and can see the same.

I will work out another way to reveal the 2nd level tabs. For now I'll that
part back, this will hide them from IE7 users (possibly IE6 too but I don't
have that any more).

Using conditional statements and sending IE users to another stylesheet
would be the appropriate solution. All these tantek and others hacks do not
work in IE7 or above, separate stylesheets are the way to go for
cross-browser solutions. That however goes against your current thinking of
reducing stylesheets.

Gav...

> On all pages, the left-hand menu is now 18 pixels lower.
> See the now bigger blue section (gap) at the top.
> 
> The amount of room available in the side menu is limited.
> We cannot afford to move it even further down the page.
> 
> -David
> 
> > I'm not seeing a big gap anywhere, tested in Firefox 2 (win and linux),
> > Firefox 3 (win and linux), IE7 (win), Opera (win) and Safari (win)
> >
> > The change was introduced, because locally during a forrest run and
> forrest
> > site , and confirmed on forrest.zones - the 2nd level tabs once
> positioned
> > correctly in the last-published area, were hidden from view behind the
> > leftnav, this was in IE only, in others I cured it by use of z-index to
> > bring the 2nd level tabs to the top, IE was not affected by this change.
> >
> > So by bringing the leftnav down by 18px it revealed the hidden 2nd level
> > tabs on IE, whilst still being attached to the top nav area, so no gaps.
> >
> > At least that's how it tests on my 3 monitors of varied resolutions, 2
> > operating systems, and 5 web browsers. Not having a genuine MAC I can't
> test
> > on that.
> >
> > Level 2 tabs have been broken for quite some time, appearing out of
> place on
> > the same row as the main tabs, to me now, they are correctly positioned
> from
> > the work of the last day or two (not just by the padding-top addition
> you
> > point out above.)
> >
> > In case you can't get a screenshot to me, I'll submit the forrest.zones
> to
> > browsershots and see what that comes up with.
> >
> > Gav...
> 
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