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From "Sina K. Heshmati" <s...@khakbaz.com>
Subject Re: input.wordpress (was Re: potential new plugin)
Date Wed, 01 Oct 2008 20:01:11 GMT
David Crossley wrote:
> David Crossley wrote:
>> Ross Gardler wrote:
>> > David Crossley wrote:
>> > >Ross Gardler wrote:
>> > >>Brian M Dube wrote:
>> > >>>David Crossley wrote:
>> > >>>>The dependencies on the main facilities (e.g. WordPress and
MySql)
>> > >>>>seem okay to me. I expect that they would be treated as
>> > >>>>system requirements, i.e. there is no use for the plugin if
>> > >>>>there is no server available to connect to and extract content
from.
>> > >>>(Snip)
>> > >>>
>> > >>>>Some of them (e.g. ehcache) are already in forrest core lib
>> > >>>>but need to to updated.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>If Forrest followed our usual technique of re-distributing
>> > >>>>the supporting jars as a convenience, then definitely there
>> > >>>>are some in that list that cannot be re-distributed:
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>e.g. hibernate - See 150 hits for that word on legal-discuss@
>> > >>>>especially LEGAL-7 (and its linked issues) and the responses
>> > >>>>to that and to LEGAL-9.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>e.g. mysql-connector-java - I expect that there would be
>> > >>>>similar issues. Is there no suitably licensed alternative?
>> > >>>I haven't found one. I don't have the energy to make the plugin
work
>> > >>>without Hibernate and the MySQL driver. I'm happy to make the code
>> > >>>available elsewhere, but this is a blocker to host it here. Note
I
>> > >>>have not contacted legal-discuss. The time and energy for that is
>> > >>>lacking, too.
>> > >>If there is no way of getting into Forrest ...
>> > >
>> > >We don't know that yet. Brian is not the only person
>> > >in this community. It is a pity that no-one can make
>> > >the effort to follow up on such legal aspects.
>> >
>> > Peronslly I don't need to follow up. There is GPL code - that's the end
>> > of the story for the ASF. I too have looked for alternatives in the past
>> > - they don't (to my knowedge exist) and I've wasted much time on this in
>> > the past.
>> >
>> > I'm offering a solution. If others want to follow up on the legal front
>> > fine - for me it is a dead end so lets get the code where it can be used.
>>
>> I am not referring to finding a replacement. I mean that
>> our "legal-discuss" list is not a boogey monster. They
>> want to treat everything on a case-by-case basis.
>>
>> No-one has yet even approached them on this matter.
>>
>> See Henri's answer in https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-8
> 
> The way that i see it is that is it up to our PMC.
> 
> It is an optional plugin. If it was the core of
> Forrest then things would be very different.
> 
> Sure we cannot distribute those jars, but we can choose
> to say to the user: You need to download xxx.jar and
> add it to your lib directory.
> 
> If that approach is acceptable to this PMC then
> so be it.

I'm not a PMC member but this story remined me of [1]. You and 
legal-discuss folks know much more about such issues.

-Sina

[1] http://clisp.cvs.sourceforge.net/*checkout*/clisp/clisp/doc/Why-CLISP-is-under-GPL

> 
> Someone needs to clarify that with legal-discuss.
> 


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