Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-forrest-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 17852 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2007 10:35:37 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.2) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 17 Jul 2007 10:35:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 1570 invoked by uid 500); 17 Jul 2007 06:35:40 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-forrest-dev-archive@forrest.apache.org Received: (qmail 1526 invoked by uid 500); 17 Jul 2007 06:35:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@forrest.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: list-unsubscribe: List-Post: Reply-To: dev@forrest.apache.org List-Id: Delivered-To: mailing list dev@forrest.apache.org Received: (qmail 1511 invoked by uid 99); 17 Jul 2007 06:35:39 -0000 Received: from herse.apache.org (HELO herse.apache.org) (140.211.11.133) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 23:35:39 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.9 required=10.0 tests=HELO_DYNAMIC_SPLIT_IP,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (herse.apache.org: domain of thorsten.scherler.ext@juntadeandalucia.es designates 217.12.18.114 as permitted sender) Received: from [217.12.18.114] (HELO 114.zone-217.12.18.juntadeandalucia.es) (217.12.18.114) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 23:35:34 -0700 Received: from [10.240.225.254] (helo=mail.juntadeandalucia.es) by guadix1.juntadeandalucia.es with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IAgeP-0004sq-PY for dev@forrest.apache.org; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 08:35:13 +0200 Received: from [10.240.192.30] by mail.juntadeandalucia.es with esmtpa (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IAgeP-0004PC-Vr for dev@forrest.apache.org; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 08:35:14 +0200 Subject: Re: direction of forrest From: Thorsten Scherler To: dev@forrest.apache.org In-Reply-To: <499888440707161418o672293b8s7078916d73a4b37@mail.gmail.com> References: <499888440707160516s6f527957p27ebdce52de3ace7@mail.gmail.com> <1184619075.6060.30.camel@cartman> <499888440707161418o672293b8s7078916d73a4b37@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 08:30:06 +0200 Message-Id: <1184653806.1654.25.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On Mon, 2007-07-16 at 17:18 -0400, Tim Williams wrote: > On 7/16/07, Thorsten Scherler wrote: > > On Mon, 2007-07-16 at 08:16 -0400, Tim Williams wrote: ... > > The one wonderful think that cocoon still is awesome at is that you are > > not bind to ONE browser. Exhibit and similar project of the MIT are > > bound to XUL. > > That's not right, they are cross-browser. Most decent javascript > libraries out there are also cross-browser. As I said above though, I > wasn't pointing to it as a "solution", more as a different way to > solve problem, has lighter weight, mashup opportunities. It has > limits too, of course. Ok, I must have mixed it up, but like you said the important thing is "lighter weight". > > I personally starting to like xul but is cocoon really obsolete? > > As I indicate above, those are technically unbound topics, but I think > the answer to the latter is slowly becoming - yes, for our purposes. IMO not only for our but as well in general. ... > > The think we never really decided is which road to go. > > As you point out above, the options we have aren't necessarily at > odds. It's less about which new road to choose I reckon and more > about us making the decision that a new road is indeed in Forrest's > future. No? Exactly. It seems we do not want to make a decision because we are scared of the consequences. salu2 -- Thorsten Scherler thorsten.at.apache.org Open Source Java consulting, training and solutions