Mailing-List: contact dev-help@forrest.apache.org; run by ezmlm
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: dev@forrest.apache.org
Received-SPF: pass (herse.apache.org: local policy)
From: "Gav...." <brightoncomputers@brightontown.com.au>
To: <dev@forrest.apache.org>
Subject: RE: [jira] Commented: (FOR-605) CSS enhancements needed for MOTD area
 inside Table of Contents
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 07:01:02 +0800
Message-ID: <00a301c7bdc6$07fdb430$650fa8c0@developer>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
	charset="US-ASCII"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
In-Reply-To: <20070626012606.GG1111@igg.indexgeo.com.au>
Thread-index: Ace3kQ0GChGJIDTpRDeSO2EsZ4hEQQGMp4wA


> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Crossley [mailto:crossley@apache.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2007 9:26 AM
> To: dev@forrest.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [jira] Commented: (FOR-605) CSS enhancements needed for MOTD
> area inside Table of Contents
> 
> Gav.... wrote:
> > From: David Crossley:
> > > Gav.... wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ok, so 550036 has moved MOTD to the left and removed relative
> > > positioning.
> > > >
> > > > It looks much better than it did and does not overlap content.
> > > >
> > > > Where it was floated right, it caused all sorts of issues, not
> easily
> > > > fixed due to the fact that MOTD and/or surrounding content divs and
> > > classes
> > > > could be optionally added/removed at any time. There is as far as I
> can
> > > see
> > > > no good all round fix for this, taking browser sizes, browser
> versions
> > > and
> > > > screen resolutions into account. The current fix works fine for all
> > > those
> > > > but may not 'look' as good as if it were prevalent on the right
> side.
> > >
> > > It is a shame. The original right-hand position was also
> > > trying to utilise the whitespace at the right of the
> > > Table Of Contents (ToC). Option #1 has even more wasted space.
> >
> > Agree
> >
> > > > I do have one idea to improve the look and keep it where it is on
> the
> > > > left, hopefully being an agreed final fix for this MOTD position.
> > > >
> > > > I would like to propose that we create a new MOTD class in the same
> > > > style as .note, .warning and .fixme. We'll give it a unique color
> from
> > > > the rest but will be displayed in exactly the same way, from the
> left
> > > going
> > > > as far across the screen as necessary, with a title section and
> content
> > > > section the same as .note etc.
> > > >
> > > > We can call it .information with 'Information' being the default
> label
> > > for
> > > > the top part which can be over-ridden with your own label, the MOTD
> on
> > > the
> > > > current forrest index page would instead use this with a label of
> > > 'Latest
> > > > release 0.8', the content area then having '18 April 2007 Forrest-
> 0.8
> > > > released: Features the Locationmap. (More)'
> > >
> > > There is no configuration for the "label" attribute.
> >
> > Sorry, mistake I meant :-
> >
> > <div class="note">
> > <div class="label">latest 0.8 release</div>
> > <div class="content">'18 April 2007 Forrest-0.8
> > released: Features the Locationmap. (More)
> > </div>
> > </div>
> >
> > but don't worry about it now ...
> 
> No that is not what i meant. There is no
> configuration in skinconf.xml for "motd label".
> It is only a snippet of text, so it needs to be
> kept simple.
> 
> > > Perhaps just use a concise box with slightly bigger
> > > border on all sides, using the existing colours.
> >
> > Ok, no problem.
> >
> > > > I'll do a mock up in a test-sample site and attach the graphic to
> this
> > > issue
> > > > if you like but I'm sure you know what I mean.
> > > >
> > > > So we have choices :-
> > > >
> > > > 1. Keep it as I have changed it to currently - to the left and still
> the
> > > > traditional MOTD.
> > >
> > > It wasn't a "traditional look". It was just a hack to fix
> > > the docs during the 0.7 release. No effort was spent on
> > > the look. I would prefer it to be more prominent CSS emphasis.
> > >
> > > > 2. Create a new version of MOTD in the style of .note etc -- still
> > > keeping
> > > > the same way that we apply the MOTD, just the style changes.
> > >
> > > I reckon that it would be too bulky and not stand
> > > out sufficiently.
> > >
> > > > 3. Revert and try something else, but it will be difficult to get it
> > > right
> > > > and keep it right for all scenarios. The above two will work in all
> > > > scenarios.
> > > >
> > > > 4. Something else.
> > > >
> > > > Thoughts ?
> > >
> > > Remember that these MOTD notes are intended to be
> > > very short. The content needs to also be able to
> > > fit into the bottom of the left-hand panel.
> > >
> > > We are already utilising the space to the right
> > > of the Title for Font Size and alternate formats,
> > > so cannot put it there.
> > >
> > > There are a number of pieces of "top matter".
> > > a) Title and its right-hand friends seem fine as-is.
> > > b) Optional header/abstract is shown above the ToC.
> > >
> > > Would it be possible to have a div for this second set?
> > > Then perhaps include the "motd" to the right-hand side.
> > > It should then collapse gracefully if those two
> > > pieces of content are missing. FLW.
> > >
> > > This is probably how i should have done it to
> > > start with, but was in a rush at the time.
> >
> > Ok, so enclose #MOTD and .abstract into a new div holding area.
> >
> > .abstract left and #motd floated right, if either one is missing
> > make sure the other still holds its place. If both are missing
> > the container div will collapse.
> >
> > Sounds like a plan.
> 
> Actually i meant to include the Table of Contents too.
> 
>  +-----------------------------------------------+
>  | +-----------------------------+-------------+ |
>  | |                             | Right Panel | |
>  | |  header/abstract            |             | |
>  | |                             |             | |
>  | +-----------------------------+             | |
>  | |                             |             | |
>  | |  Generated ToC              |             | |
>  | |                             |             | |
>  | |                             |             | |
>  | +-----------------------------+-------------+ |
>  +-----------------------------------------------+
> 
> In the "Right Panel" would go the MOTD.
> Perhaps later other things could go there too.

What would be the consequences of moving header/abstract into <body> ?

I am trying to re-organise header/abstract + MOTD + ToC into a container
div, but is a little difficult when some of the content/structure comes from
site-to-xhtml.xsl and some come from document-to-html.xsl and the 2nd refers
to the 1st !!

If I move header/abstract into the <body> then it all works fine and I have
my master container div for these sections. CSS then makes it how we want.

I will have to rethink another strategy if I can not move the above though.

I will expand on the exact problem later, off to work.

Gav...

> 
> This is easier with the Dispatcher of course.
> 
> -David
> 
> 
> --
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.8/869 - Release Date: 6/25/2007
> 5:32 PM